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On Art, Cruelty, and Dead Goldfish
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The fish were comfortable in their aquarium one moment, and homogeneous goop the next. They didn't suffer as they were shredded faster than a nerve impulse could even respond, and in nature they would have died fare more brutally.

Is there anything 'wrong' with what this artist did? :fishy:

Is the ending of a lower animal's life intrinsically wrong because it wasn't killed for food?

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Liquidising Goldfish 'not a crime'


An art display which invited the public to put live goldfish through a food blender did not constitute cruelty to animals, a Danish court has ruled.

The goldfish were placed on display swimming in the blenders, and visitors were told they could press the "on" button if they wanted.

At least one visitor did, killing two goldfish.

Peter Meyer, director of the Trapholt Art Museum in Kolding, 200 kilometres (125 miles) west of Copenhagen, was fined for cruelty to animals after complaints from campaign group Friends of Animals.

But a court in Denmark has now ruled that the fish were not treated cruelly, as they had not faced prolonged suffering.

The fish were killed "instantly" and "humanely", said Judge Preben Bagger.

The court had earlier heard an expert witness from the blenders' maker, Moulinex, that the fish had probably died within one second of the blender being switched on.

A vet also told the court that the fish would have died painlessly.

Mr Meyer will not now have to pay the fine of 2,000 kroner (269 euros) originally imposed by Danish police.

The case only went to court because he refused to pay the police fine. He told the court that artistic freedom was at stake.

"It's a question of principle. An artist has the right to create works which defy our concept of what is right and what is wrong," he told the court in Kolding.

The display featured a total of 10 blenders containing goldfish.

After the complaints, the blenders were unplugged and the exhibit continued without the possibility of killing the fish.

The exhibit was created by Chilean-born Danish artist Marco Evaristti, who was apparently trying to test visitors' sense of right and wrong.

Mr Evaristti said at the time he wanted to force people to "do battle with their conscience".

The idea, he said, was to "place people before a dilemma: to choose between life and death."

"It was a protest against what is going on in the world, against this cynicism, this brutality that impregnates the world in which we live," he said.

BBC News


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: On Art, Cruelty, and Dead Fish [Re: Diploid]
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I used to do public exhibtions of swallowing live goldfish and crickets; This is a very cool piece of art to me.

The main argument might come from applying labeling to what is viewed as "lesser" or "greater"; using percieved values.

If you really think of a Goldfish as lesser, than no. If greater than, yes. In my eyes everthing is more or less equal, so I probably wouldn't care. if we are all equal than it shouldn't matter, I guess.

And I'd hope a goldfish or a human would look at death swallowing my life as a piece of art.

Anyway, cool post!:thumbup: Got my braingravy runnin'.


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Re: On Art, Cruelty, and Dead Goldfish [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
The fish were comfortable in their aquarium one moment, and homogeneous goop the next. They didn't suffer as they were shredded faster than a nerve impulse could even respond and in nature they would have died fare more brutally.

Is there anything 'wrong' with what this artist did? :fishy:

Is the ending of a lower animal's life intrinsically wrong because it wasn't killed for food?

--

Liquidising Goldfish 'not a crime'


An art display which invited the public to put live goldfish through a food blender did not constitute cruelty to animals, a Danish court has ruled.

The goldfish were placed on display swimming in the blenders, and visitors were told they could press the "on" button if they wanted.

At least one visitor did, killing two goldfish.

Peter Meyer, director of the Trapholt Art Museum in Kolding, 200 kilometres (125 miles) west of Copenhagen, was fined for cruelty to animals after complaints from campaign group Friends of Animals.

But a court in Denmark has now ruled that the fish were not treated cruelly, as they had not faced prolonged suffering.

The fish were killed "instantly" and "humanely", said Judge Preben Bagger.

The court had earlier heard an expert witness from the blenders' maker, Moulinex, that the fish had probably died within one second of the blender being switched on.

A vet also told the court that the fish would have died painlessly.

Mr Meyer will not now have to pay the fine of 2,000 kroner (269 euros) originally imposed by Danish police.

The case only went to court because he refused to pay the police fine. He told the court that artistic freedom was at stake.

"It's a question of principle. An artist has the right to create works which defy our concept of what is right and what is wrong," he told the court in Kolding.

The display featured a total of 10 blenders containing goldfish.

After the complaints, the blenders were unplugged and the exhibit continued without the possibility of killing the fish.

The exhibit was created by Chilean-born Danish artist Marco Evaristti, who was apparently trying to test visitors' sense of right and wrong.

Mr Evaristti said at the time he wanted to force people to "do battle with their conscience".

The idea, he said, was to "place people before a dilemma: to choose between life and death."

"It was a protest against what is going on in the world, against this cynicism, this brutality that impregnates the world in which we live," he said.

BBC News


:rofl2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: On Art, Cruelty, and Dead Fish [Re: Apollyphelion]
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I'm using the word "lower" in its biological taxonomic sense. Fish are lower than humans, taxonomically speaking. I make the distinction because I'm a geek and like to communicate precisely. :grin:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: On Art, Cruelty, and Dead Fish [Re: Diploid]
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What was the point(your purpose)of this thread?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: On Art, Cruelty, and Dead Fish [Re: Icelander]
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To hear others' opinion on whether or not painlessly killing an animal for recreational purposes is intrinsically unethical.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: On Art, Cruelty, and Dead Fish [Re: Diploid]
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I think it's unethical personally.

Using animals/critters as props seems wrong to me, in a way, it kind of seperates humans from the rest of existence. Other animals are entitled to life just as much as we are and were not born to be props in some mans art exhibit.

If using animals is justifiable, what's to stop someone from using a person in his next art exhibit?

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Re: On Art, Cruelty, and Dead Fish [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
To hear others' opinion on whether or not painlessly killing an animal for recreational purposes is intrinsically unethical.



Why do you consider this an important question? What do you hope to learn or show?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: On Art, Cruelty, and Dead Fish [Re: Icelander]
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I want to repeat the experiment with giant blenders and certain top Washington DC politicians...


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Re: On Art, Cruelty, and Dead Fish [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Send them down to the priest rapids spawning channel.
Razor knifes and aluminum bats all around.
The mostly unnatural propagation of salmon is brutality into a five gallon bucket. Slosh! Shhquirt!


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