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Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher

JERUSALEM (AFP) - High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.
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Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.

"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.

Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the "burning bush," suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances.

"The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music."

He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said.

He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080304/oddities/israel_religion_offbeat


Hmmm.. if this is true, then Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all completely fucked.


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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: citricacidx]
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citricacidx said:
Hmmm.. if this is true, then Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all completely fucked.


uhmm not really


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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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Acacia confusa for the win
when people are uneducated and poor they will believe anything
whether they are under the influence or not


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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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It would just validate the thoughts of many people who believe psychedelics can teach.

Theorizing that moses was high on acacia is probably one of the most feeble attempts at invalidating the bible I've heard of.


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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: Crasher]
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i dont think it is showing psychedelics can teach
more like psychedelics can allow 1 to be easily coaxed into a false reality
the same way charles mansin got those chix to kill people 4 him


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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: Coaster]
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or a false reality like believing moses was high because one dude in Israel says so....


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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: Crasher]
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Crasher said:
It would just validate the thoughts of many people who believe psychedelics can teach.

Theorizing that moses was high on acacia is probably one of the most feeble attempts at invalidating the bible I've heard of.


especially when youre not dealing with fundies
im a christian
i believe god put psychoactive plants here to teach us and to help those who wish to become closer to him achieve higher knowledge
this is my view, please note im not trying to push this view on others:rolleyes:
i dont see why ppl are so down on all christians... we should focus our bad vibes on the fundies, theyre the backwards ones lol


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"And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!"  -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move."  -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"
"If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna

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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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This guy has no evidence or sources. He has no more proof than some random guy on a forum as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: krypto2000]
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It's just something funny to think about. Even if he was tripping balls, that doesn't mean that he didn't actually find Yahweh.


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Edited by citricacidx (03/04/08 10:41 PM)

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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: citricacidx]
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How on earth can you possibly be a Christian and a psychonaut at the same time?

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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: 12468]
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How on earth can you possibly be a Christian and a psychonaut at the same time?


he just explained it dude.
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i believe god put psychoactive plants here to teach us and to help those who wish to become closer to him achieve higher knowledge


i actually believe that too. and when i say god i mean essentially a higher being, not exactly the same picture that modern baptists give. iv had a few religious...encounters while tripping.


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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: 12468]
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12468 said:
How on earth can you possibly be a Christian and a psychonaut at the same time?


See title


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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: 12468]
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12468 said:
How on earth can you possibly be a Christian and a psychonaut at the same time?


I fail to see how they are mutually exclusive.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: 12468]
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12468 said:
How on earth can you possibly be a Christian and a psychonaut at the same time?


Way to be closed-minded

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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: Entropymancer]
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No matter if it was completely proven without a doubt and shoved in Christians faces to see, they would never believe it.

IMO Christians are brainwashed from a young age to believe the bible with a consequence of going to hell if not believing in it.

Check out on youtube evangelical brainwashing kids, its horrible...

But on topic, I would definitely agree that he probably was on a hallucinogen... trees/bushes do look like they are on fire when I'm shroomin.


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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: AbominableShaman]
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Snowmansdsm09 said:
No matter if it was completely proven without a doubt and shoved in Christians faces to see, they would never believe it.


Just crap. That is a baseless and inflammatory comment with absolutely nothing behind it but an uneducated opinion.

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IMO Christians are brainwashed from a young age to believe the bible with a consequence of going to hell if not believing in it.


How about the Christians that 'came to Christ' later in life?

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But on topic, I would definitely agree that he probably was on a hallucinogen... trees/bushes do look like they are on fire when I'm shroomin.


So because you see burning bushes on mushrooms it is probable that one of the most well known literary characters in all history was high when he received God's law?


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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: Crasher]
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And I suppose you believe Jesus rode dinosaurs as well?
Because the earth is only 6,000 years old right? or so the bible says...



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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: AbominableShaman]
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As for uneducated... I suppose you have to believe in the bible to be educated??

As far as I'm concerned having "faith" is not an indication of education...


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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: AbominableShaman]
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There you go, did your hole deeper, jackass.

So all Christians must believe that the Earth is only six thousand years old because...?

You have any references aside from an image and fundamentalist coloring book that would add to the validity of your question?

The westboro baptist church carries signs like 'thank god for ieds'


I'm in the military, so
you think I agree with them too?

Take your weak attacks against Christianity to the spirituality forum.

Your suppositions couldn't be farther off towards what I said in regards to you being uneducated.


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Edited by Crasher (03/05/08 12:47 AM)

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Re: AHAHAHAHA! (Please read) [Re: Crasher]
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Euclid's Elements is my bible
and it was written 300 years before that floozy jesus ever even supposedly lived
and the stuff euclid talks about is FARRRRRRRRRRRRRR more applicable to todays world
it is the second most purchased book in the world
the bible only being #1 cuz people buy it and dont read it
like hotels and


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