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Cooperation vs. Conflict
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Cooperation is often bandied about as a higher spiritual state than conflict. Sounds good, eh? (Ant colonies must be mighty spiritual then.) No matter how much cooperation there is, there will always be conflict. For humans to live other creatures must die and that certainly entails conflict. If that is true (it is!) then only intra-human cooperation is 'good'? What about intra-species cooperation?

Even if we stop the destruction of the oceans and rain forests, it is only for our own long-term, self-centered benefit.

Cooperation is merely another strategy for survival and is inherently no more nor less spiritual than a different tact.


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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Why must other creatures die for us to live?

If you wanted to I'm sure you could find a basis to make conflict "spiritual" too.

Maybe the key lies within the reason behind the cooperation...
Are you doing it for YOUR benefit?
or are you doing it for the benefit for everyone and everything?


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“You've got as many lives as you like, and more, even ones you don't want.” - George Harrison

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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: dirtworshipper]
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dirtworshipper said:
Are you doing it for YOUR benefit?
or are you doing it for the benefit for everyone and everything?


I think the real enlightenment comes in realizing the false dichotomy between the two. When you realize your oneness with others, then selfishness and altruism become obsolete terms.


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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: dirtworshipper]
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Why must other creatures die for us to live?



Huh? Because that is the WAY THINGS ARE. A basic biology course will answer your question.


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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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What about the Breatharians? They have proven that humans just need air, water, and sunshine. Their founder Wiley Brooks says so, and he is an "Inter-dimensional Traveler" so he should know.
http://www.breatharian.com/


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Millions of Jains might disagree with you there.


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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: Huehuecoyotl] * 1
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Hate to sound like I have been everywhere and done everything - even tho true, but I met Wiley (Coyote) Brooks in Sunnyvale, CA a few years back. When I asked him about his getting 'caught' eating, he didn't miss a beat and merely explained that the chaos of being in the city made him occasionally require food, but if in the mountains with pure air, it was unnecessary.


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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: Silversoul]
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Jains still eat, requiring that other lifeforms must die.

And, of course, Jains have white blood cells and other lymphocytes which kill millions of bacteria daily.


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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Jains still eat, requiring that other lifeforms must die.


Am I to assume that you've never been bitten by a mosquito? Not all eating requires the death of another organism. Many of the most devout Jains do not eat vegetables that must die in order to be eaten. Rather, they are fruititarians. They eat fruits and nuts that fall from trees(thus not killing the tree), and other food that does not require the death of the organism.


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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Cooperation is merely another strategy for survival and is inherently no more nor less spiritual than a different tact.

Who gives a ---- about spiritual? Cooperation sounds great to me.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: Silversoul]
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Am I to assume that you've never been bitten by a mosquito?


And I squashed the little fucking vampire!


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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I would ask him why he did not just shift dimensions so that he didn't have to blow his cash on food. In any case world hunger has been conquered if we just make sure mountains and pure air are at every location on Earth.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
dirtworshipper said:
Are you doing it for YOUR benefit?
or are you doing it for the benefit for everyone and everything?


I think the real enlightenment comes in realizing the false dichotomy between the two.  When you realize your oneness with others, then selfishness and altruism become obsolete terms.


that is completely true

it's like "protesting"
aren't "anti-war" rallies and the "anti" this and that rallies just more conflict?
just creating more of the polar opposite
instead of focusing on the way they are the same

OrgoneConclusion said:
Huh? Because that is the WAY THINGS ARE. A basic biology course will answer your question.


I'm not convinced that other creatures need to die for us to live.
I know a few fruitarians (if you think killing vegetables is wrong). They aren't killing anything, literally.

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Icelander said:
Who gives a ---- about spiritual? Cooperation sounds great to me.:thumbup:


:handth:
very well said.


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Edited by dirtworshipper (11/12/07 07:13 PM)

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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: dirtworshipper]
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I'm not convinced that other creatures need to die for us to live.
I know a few fruitarians (if you think killing vegetables is wrong). They aren't killing anything, literally.

When they breath they occasionally inhale and kill minute insect life not to mention stepping on the poor little buggers.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: Icelander]
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:rofl:

I think they wear a respirator at all times
and instead of walking they float around

:flyingpig:


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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: Icelander]
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Try not to drag facts and reality into New Age ideals. :fairy:


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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Plants are not creatures. (Animal, vegetable or mineral? Only the first category contains creatures.)  :grin:  Creatures do not have to die in order for humans to live, though they must die for humans to eat grilled T-bone steaks.

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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: Veritas]
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Also note that food can also be obtained from creatures without killing them. Milk and honey, for example.


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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: Silversoul]
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And blood.:hellfire:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Cooperation vs. Conflict [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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What about the Breatharians? They have proven that humans just need air, water, and sunshine. Their founder Wiley Brooks says so, and he is an "Inter-dimensional Traveler" so he should know.


Are they trying to split from the human species? Hmmm. something like conscious devolution..


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Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce

Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking.

Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc.
Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god."
- Indian Armed Forces

"Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane

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