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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: gluke bastid]
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> They deserve to lose some money, but not that much.

I think the jury was making a point; we the people do not accept this type of behavior. I have no problem with the size of the award assuming that whatever the defendants did was not protected by freedom of speech. I honestly haven't looked in to the case to know.


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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: gluke bastid]
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gluke bastid said:
Silversoul said:
Well fuck me. That sucks. Where the fuck were the Hell's Angels when you needed them?


You are confusing the hell's angels with the patriot guard.http://www.patriotguard.org/

No one needs the hells angels, unless you are looking to get chain whipped and gang raped.


Hehe... Fred Phelps deserves to get chain whipped and gang raped tho... but really I have family in Topeka where that church is based and I have seen some of their stupid signs. Those people are total assholes.


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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: andrewss]
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That amount of money is stupid. Legal system is fucked. This is not justice.

People are allowed to say WHATEVER they want without govt interference IMO. If they catch a stray bullet afterwards, that is their problem. Stop wasting our tax money though.


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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: tak]
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real life trolls.

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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
zappaisgod said:
I would like to say I like this, but I don't.  I would, however, not weep if some disaffected youth were to blow all of those assholes to smithereens instead of shooting up the football team.


Seriously.  What happened to the Hell's Angels who were keeping this stuff under wraps?

Edit:  Damn, did I just agree with zappa?  :what:


Ahhhhhhhh Grasshopper, when you can snatch the pebble from my hand.....


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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: zappaisgod]
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To bad someone doesn't hunt them down one by one.

:sniper:


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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: Diploid]
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what kind of jack-ass defense counsel actually wanted to go ahead and try this case instead of settling? a big city, east coast liberal jury is not going to side with this church. its not like this case was tried in the bible belt, or alabama.


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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
This is supposed to be the Westboro Baptist Church Choir... Found on youtube while searching for information about this case. Weird...
Seems really unchristian "god hate's the world" and "its too late to change his (god) mind" wtf? I hope this is a joke.




lol God help religion with people like this in the media.

Makes Atheism just that much more attractive.

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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: Thor]
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[url=
&q=Westboro+Baptist+Church&total=512&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2404951615658025467&q=Westboro+Baptist+Church&total=512&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1[/url]
[url=
&q=Westboro+Patriot+Guard&total=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-249352731048492593&q=Westboro+Patriot+Guard&total=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1[/url]
:rofl2:

[url=
youtube.com/watch?v=Wzbo1eE8pF0&mode=related&search[/url]
Cops can do some good..


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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: Brainiac]
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Here you go.  Someone really needs to firebomb that church....

:jesus:    :onfire:    :jesus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O228AQRvcqQ


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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Diploid said:
I have mixed feelings about this.

On the one hand, it doesn't bug me one bit that this bunch of bigots lost the legal case, but on the other hand, the First Amendment covers all speech, including ugly speech.

That's the whole point of the First Amendment.


Ya, I'm generally a big first amendment proponent, but I wonder to what extent this is like yelling fire in a crowded theater. It might qualify as harassment, considering these protests are directed at private individuals, not public figures.


That's all well and good, except the dead marines can't fight back, and the greiving relatives are not in an emotionally sound state of mind.

Castrate these fuckers and remove their vocal chords. Where will they find $10.9 million dollars?


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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: Visionary Tools]
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I can't believe the clear-cut opinions against the church in this thread. The First Amendment is not a trivial thing to just toss out the window because a group said something you consider nasty.

The court may well be right in going against the church in this particular case, but I think that's FAR from clear.

The church was protesting on a PUBLIC sidewalk, across the street from the funeral, and with a legal permit.

I don't like what they did, but if they can be held liable for doing what their permit says they can do, then who will be the next target of the court? You and me when we demonstrate in favor of abolishing drug prohibition laws because that speech also happens to be unpopular?

It's a slippery slope that can ensnare us all when someone starts deciding what speech is permitted and what speech is not.

Let's keep things in perspective.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: Diploid]
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I agree w/ diploid.

I would only think they could be rightfully found liable if they were shouting; were they? I don't know.

No matter what, this award is ridiculously excessive. While you have a right to be left alone, and this can be remedied through an invasion of privacy suit in many states, I feel the magnitude of this award is clearly the result of the type of speech, not the actions.

I would really like to see what they did that rendered them liable... or did they just hold signs and vocalize while others were near?

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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: Diploid]
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&NR=1

i agree with diploid, somewhat. funerals are a different story.

but i also think if they were protesting at a loved one's funeral of mine, i'd have to mow them all down with an ak47. honestly i dont see how they've remained alive this far.

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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: usg543]
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I am a strong believer in the First Amendment. It is everyones right to use there voice for the causes they beleve in.

But these trolls were attacking a funneral. Maybe not with fists and guns, but by deliberatly assulting the emotional well being of of an entire group of people. By attempting to destroy the last memory of a dead loved one.
There is reason for concern, surely, that just any old negitive speach could be lumped in and sued over, which is why the civil tort "emotional destress" has a high burden of proof. Infact this is only the second case I have ever seen it used and it won.

IMO the court was right in its verdict.


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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: Smackshadow]
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you dont have the right to not be offended.

they didnt do anything wrong. it is a bullshit case that will be thrown out.
They feel they are doing a righteous thing, just like some of you would be as you stood on a sidewalk outside the RNC shouting equally profane things at republicans.

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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: gluke bastid]
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sorry but u cant sue someone for speech in this country...its sets a bad precedent.. i hope this ruling is overturned by smarter judges

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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: KingOftheThing]
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Well, that's not strictly true. The classic example is: if you yell "fire!" in a crowded theater and someone gets hurt in the stampede, you sure as hell can be sued and will probably lose.

This thing with the church seems more like protected religious speech to me than the fire-in-a-theater example.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: Diploid]
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i think god is trying to say something here

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Re: Anti-gay Church Liable: $10.9 Million [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Well, that's not strictly true. The classic example is: if you yell "fire!" in a crowded theater and someone gets hurt in the stampede, you sure as hell can be sued and will probably lose.

This thing with the church seems more like protected religious speech to me than the fire-in-a-theater example.


Ya, at first I thought it was a case of them shouting down the people at the funeral(I didn't really bother to read the article). If they were on a public sidewalk with a permit, then they are within their rights.


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