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A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia * 1
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After having some very intensely negative experiences on drugs, I've come to some conclusions about how paranoia takes place and why, and decided perhaps sharing these ideas can help others understand/deal with their own experiences, and others might just find some of the ideas interesting.

So I started writing about it and today I finished it off. In some areas language is informal and perhaps the structure itself is a bit unconventional, but I'm writing this for the sake of the greater good, and not an assessment.

So here it is:

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Temporary drug-induced paranoia is an irrationally heightened state of fear in which a person intensely analyses their current social environment and only has the capacity to form alienating conclusions. If the person becomes introspective, they may also begin to analyse past social environments or specific past social events. As the paranoia progresses, these two analyses will eventually blend into one, creating an ongoing analysis of the totality of their experiences characterised by frequent negative conclusions concerning:
• present self-worth;
• critical decisions in the past regarding open-ended issues;
• the dispositions of others towards them, and;
• their future as a social entity,
which following further introspection and the application of philosophical and/or creative thought may or may not evolve into negative conclusions concerning:
• the destiny and purpose of man;
• the true structure of existence, its theme and characteristics, and;
• centralised power structures excluding the person and acting to network the conclusions relating to the above notions.

It is for some reason assumed by the person, perhaps because of an instinctive need for an angle of approach after irrationally sensing danger, that there is a static and singular state to their social environment and always has been, or rather, that there is only one universal social environment and thus all social experiences are relevant in the present. Because of this assumption, otherwise unrelated social behaviour from both the present and past involving widely varying social contexts is grouped into a singular social reality, and then all are subjected to negative (re-)evaluation. As confusion sets in, it exacerbates fear, which then intensifies the negative reactions to stimuli (internal and external) and so the overall state of paranoia. The analytical mindset may become so industrious as to uncover repressed and suppressed memories, and the condition thus tends to spiral itself out of control.

What essentially occurs is the progressive deconstruction of the integrity of all esteem-affirming social interpretations to which the person has been subjected and is currently being subjected or attempting to create. In severe cases, if the person equates their social mask (ego) with their ultimate Self, or who they really are, that is to say; if they deem the paranoia real, then what occurs is an intensification of the level of paranoia which pushes the person towards a state of hysteria, driven forward by the experience of increasing antagonism amidst an increasing sense of helplessness. In this state it is likely the ego will be shed in a different light, as superficial or irrational, or discarded of altogether as the futility of retaining it - at least for the present - is eventually recognised. If the latter occurs, moments of illumination or stillness, expressed as a sudden feeling of calmness, smiling or laughter, will occur during the time(s) the ego is dissolved.

Although an overall negative experience, severe paranoia can highlight the transactional nature of the mind and its world. Thoughts or judgments about events can occur simultaneously with the event itself, not as an afterthought or analysis. That is to say, the line between fantasy, reality and the process of judgment is blurred completely; thoughts and reality become one. As an example, I once had a very harsh experience while under the influence of bad THC and alcohol in which I became extremely paranoid and physiologically impaired, but well-aware I was judging my environment incorrectly. During this time a friend entered the room and started changing the tracks on a sound system, and began commenting on different songs. I was well-aware he was commenting on the songs (Reality A), but each time he said something I would suddenly switch to a reality in which he was attempting to snap me out of my paranoid state by playing the appropriate music (Reality B). Each time he would say things like, “Nah, not that one” and “This one is no good is it?”, and without any judgment of mine or in fact any conscious cognitive process at all, I would temporarily be in Reality B, as if waking from a dream. Then afterwards when I actually had a chance to process the information, I would analyse what he said, and restore Reality A. He would then speak again (“Well, I tried”) and I would again experience Reality B. This is unlike my impressions of previous experiences of paranoia, in which the stimulus is delivered rather neutrally, or with only subtlely negative overtones, but then when processed it would be interpreted in a negative way, or become negative after being added to a larger lattice of paranoid delusions. In this case, the judgement and the occurrence of the event were the same thing, revealing that a transaction was taking place rather than classical cause-and-effect, receive-and-interpret scenario. This suggests attempting to control the content of paranoia may be futile, and instead effort should be focused on controlling emotional reactions to the perspectives that arise.

Another interesting point to be raised here is that there seems to be a fine line between mystical revelation and paranoid delusions. It is apt to suspect paranoid delusions are derived from a mystical source (accessed by the substance in use) due to their free-flowing creativity, but become delusional (irrationally negative) after being filtered through an ego in an ultra-protective, or paranoid, state. This is evidenced by the many obvious parallels between mystical and paranoid thought, such as:
• cosmic centralisation, decomposition of multiplicity (A);
• the recasting of reality as a narrative (B), and;
• intuitive and unconditional morality (C).
In the case of mystical thought, (A) correlates with the underlying unity of all things; the Eastern notion of the singular and immortal Self (the Tao, Brahman, or Dharmakaya). (B) correlates with the idea of the Eastern notion of the world as play, a direct result of its unity. (C) correlates with an attitude of love, compassion and understanding which inevitably follows (A) & (B) in this context, in recognition of the futility of egotistical actions.
In the case of paranoid thought, (A) correlates with the concept of an in-crowd, sharing one mind, and an out-crowd, consisting solely of the paranoiac, whom feels he is the mortal enemy of the in-crowd. (B) correlates with the concept of the in-crowd being engaged in a universal play excluding the paranoiac, and the feeling that his exclusion is deserved. (C) correlates with an attitude of guilt, and oversensitivity to the effect of his actions on others which inevitably follows (A) & (B) in this context, in recognition of the paranoiac’s insignificance to the in-crowd’s structure at large, and of his exclusion.

Temporary drug-induced paranoia can therefore be understood in terms of either the irrational overlapping of social contexts with judgments defaulting to the most negative out of a fear for safety, or in terms of distortion of mystical experience. With this in mind, we can approach severe episodes of paranoia in a more detached and potentially experimental manner, as we will no longer be concerned with the credibility of the paranoia but with simply overcoming it as a disoriented psychological or neurological phenomenon. This may prevent us being emotionally abused by our own thoughts during these episodes, acting irrationally or harmfully in social situations, and may also assist in the aftermath of the episode where we may feel guilt or mistrust after subjecting ourselves to a long period of dark and negative thoughts concerning ourselves and our peers.

Edited by tools_n_corpses (06/22/07 05:09 AM)

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: tools_n_corpses]
    #7078217 -

Lol you just cant handle your shit. Its just a high.

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: SurCal]
    #7078284 -

I wasn't just talking about THC. That's just been a main catalyst for me. What I'm talking about here, I don't think you have any experience with.

You need to identify what you don't have any experience with and hold back from commenting on it.

I'm sorry if intellectualising things makes you feel alienated.


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"Misery only doth exist, none miserable,

No doer is there; naught save the deed is found.

Nirvana is, but not the man who seeks it.

The Path exists, but not the traveler on it.
"

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: tools_n_corpses]
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Well when it comes down to it hes right though isnt he?:lol:

I too get paranoid when I am stoned, and to me your entire post seems as the epitomy of what it so well describes.:thumbup:

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: daytripper23]
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Do you mean the post/essay itself seems like something you'd write when paranoid? lol...

It's just a high, sure. But the paranoia isn't just paranoia. I thought I made a pretty good stab at what it is here in this essay. Lately if I get paranoid, knowing something like what I've described in the essay, I just sit there calmly.


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"Misery only doth exist, none miserable,

No doer is there; naught save the deed is found.

Nirvana is, but not the man who seeks it.

The Path exists, but not the traveler on it.
"

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: tools_n_corpses]
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Quote:
It is for some reason assumed by the person, perhaps because of an instinctive need for an angle of approach after irrationally sensing danger, that there is a static and singular state to their social environment and always has been, or rather, that there is only one universal social environment and thus all social experiences are relevant in the present. Because of this assumption, otherwise unrelated social behaviour from both the present and past involving widely varying social contexts is grouped into a singular social reality, and then all are subjected to negative (re-)evaluation.



This is exactly the kind of language I use when im mad paranoid.

But yea man once you realize its a delusion, does it have to be more complicated than that? You cant handle your shit, in my understanding is not trivialization of the matter. Your shit can includes you and your reflections of nature, your pot, and your entire philosophy. Im in the same boat. Think about the situation, its kind of funny that your worst enemy is an imaginary construct of your brain. Just gotta sit back and laugh it off.

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: daytripper23]
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That may be the kind of language you use when paranoid, but it's also the kind of language used when you're trying to describe something in an essay.

I can see what you're getting at - I made it sound a little bit desperate. What I was trying to do was put paranoia in perspective, and throw some ideas at it.

In terms of dealing with paranoia, understanding the fact that "it's not real" is the only way to face it.

But don't you find it a bit strange that sometimes when you take drugs the whole world goes crazy/goes against you? I mean, you can accept that simply as a fact, like it happens so you'll deal with it, but it's probably worth looking into why that happens. That's what I was doing here... surely it's not completely irrelevant...

The perspective of it being distorted mystic elements, if you accept the Eastern views, pretty much explains it...


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"Misery only doth exist, none miserable,

No doer is there; naught save the deed is found.

Nirvana is, but not the man who seeks it.

The Path exists, but not the traveler on it.
"

Edited by tools_n_corpses (06/22/07 06:13 AM)

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: tools_n_corpses]
    #7078458 -

Its more than the language, its the actual approach. You know, somewhat abstruce? But yea I agree that it does a good job describing it.

Quote:
Lol you just cant handle your shit. Its just a high.




yes, its just a high.

And yes I couldnt handle my shit...

Its true dude! But dont these statements have a certain hilarious quality to them?

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: daytripper23]
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Quote:
The perspective of it being distorted mystic elements, if you accept the Eastern views, pretty much explains it...



I agree:

Quote:
Get rid of"learning" and there will be no anxiety.
How much difference is there between "yes" and "no"?
How far removed from each other are "good" and "evil"
yet what the people are in awe of cannot be disregaurded.



-Lao Tzu

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: daytripper23]
    #7078493 -

Maybe your different than me, your initial post just reminded me alot of myself. My biggest problem is over-analyzation. Its actually a crutch for me.

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: daytripper23]
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Yeah, that's been a big problem for me as well... ha, maybe this thread is a great example.

But you can see SurCal's perspective, the concrete idea of "it's a high".

And then you can see my perspective, of relating the THC to more than just a buzz. It peels away implicit judgments we make about things. The reason we find things so funny is that we start to see reality as just a play... I mean, on weed, everything becomes a play or a game. My idea is this relates very strongly to Eastern notions. I believe it sort of starts to open up the mind to that way of thinking...

And so, with weed in this context, I went on to analyse the paranoia it causes, in relation to this Eastern view... I know this can seem extremely iffy at first, but when you think about it, it makes good sense...

Look at all the paranoid schizos out there... they see everything as centralised and misunderstand their ego in relation to other egos... they're essentially coming to terms with the Eastern view but are being confused by it, so they get all these crazy theories going. This is what is happening with paranoia and weed, except on a smaller scale, and perhaps more forcefully.

I should reiterate that I'm talking about severe paranoia here.


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"Misery only doth exist, none miserable,

No doer is there; naught save the deed is found.

Nirvana is, but not the man who seeks it.

The Path exists, but not the traveler on it.
"

Edited by tools_n_corpses (06/22/07 07:37 AM)

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: tools_n_corpses]
    #7078579 -

Well I really do try to see it from that perspective. Realizing whatever it is as just a game is the most enlightened perspective i can comprehend at this point. If there is anything i consider sacred in any sense, it would be psychedelics. But it is just a high :lol:

Last time i was tripping I fully realized this perspective and it scared the shit out of me, because the surface it appears as meaninglessness(maybe the old catholic in me). But true meaning cannot come out of anything but meaninglessness, ya know? :vineclimb:

Anyways, I think I understand where your coming from, but I still think its more of a psychologists causal viewpoint, even though it does deal with spiritual phenomena. Could you be ballsy enough to put this string of theories test in practicality? That way Id say your "playing" the essay.

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: tools_n_corpses]
    #7078584 -

Well I used to be severerly paranoid, now im something like moderately/quite paranoid.

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: daytripper23]
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daytripper23 said:
Well I really do try to see it from that perspective. Realizing whatever it is as just a game is the most enlightened perspective i can comprehend at this point. If there is anything i consider sacred in any sense, it would be psychedelics. But it is just a high :lol:

Last time i was tripping I fully realized this perspective and it scared the shit out of me, because the surface it appears as meaninglessness(maybe the old catholic in me). But true meaning cannot come out of anything but meaninglessness, ya know? :vineclimb:

Anyways, I think I understand where your coming from, but I still think its more of a psychologists causal viewpoint, even though it does deal with spiritual phenomena. Could you be ballsy enough to put this string of theories test in practicality? That way Id say your "playing" the essay.



From what you're saying I can see we share a lot in common. :smirk:

With regards to this perspective you're talking about that you realised last you were tripping, does it sound like I'm communicating something similar in this post: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7074077#Post7074077 ?

Yes, this is a very psychological perspective... yet not. It's a strange mix of psychological thought and spiritual thought, I guess because it was basically typed as the ideas came, and I wasn't trying to come from any particular direction.

I guess I couldn't apply it practically. It was something for people to think about. I think it's a very interesting correlation at the very least...

See, outside social dictates, you can say pretty much anything about anything. There is momentum going on in social circles which makes certain spectrums of thought irrelevant or counter-productive. But I'm outside of those most of the time and willing to sit with interesting perspectives on things if they fit.

And paranoia came to mind as something to analyse because it's popped up more than it should in me than in the average person, I think... :crazy2:


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"Misery only doth exist, none miserable,

No doer is there; naught save the deed is found.

Nirvana is, but not the man who seeks it.

The Path exists, but not the traveler on it.
"

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: tools_n_corpses]
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In my opinion most drug-induced paranoia can be GREATLY minimized if the person indulging in the drug researches it to a good degree before they do, in fact, decide to take it.

Just adding on a little bit.


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Freeker, right by the speaker
never seem to get enough
priceless expression when space is possession
like yeah, that's the stuff
electronic stereophonic
coming from the left and the right
it's good in the day
I like it that way
but it's perfectly normal at night.

///xron

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: tools_n_corpses]
    #7079321 -

I used to get paranoid like that when I smoked weed. I can definitely relate to where you're coming from. That's a very thorough analysis you've performed. I hope it's helped! For me, the solution was simply to stop smoking. Honestly, I'm quite happy I did, though it makes it difficult sometimes because it is such a social activity. It may be easier for you to understand and integrate your conditioning without the altered consciousness, but maybe not. It has been for me.

Best of luck to ya! :heart:


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: tools_n_corpses]
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tools_n_corpses said:
I wasn't just talking about THC. That's just been a main catalyst for me. What I'm talking about here, I don't think you have any experience with.

You need to identify what you don't have any experience with and hold back from commenting on it.

I'm sorry if intellectualising things makes you feel alienated.



The only thing I havent done yet is dmt.

damn fool your just probably a schizo or some shit.

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: SurCal]
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SurCal said:
damn fool your just probably a schizo or some shit.



Listen personalisms are not allowed here and your comment means nothing to the thread which happens to be a very interesting and insightful one.
Oh and btw, before talking about schizophrenia and what it is, I'd suggest you to actually do some research about it!


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: tools_n_corpses]
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tools_n_corpses very interesting analysis, i enjoyed reading it. reminds me a bit of some THC experiences of my own, and i find your username very curious!

I noted during meditation that what happens is that the ego is taken into a state where it does not function as a simple human doing normal things, but rather operates vastly liberated from time, so if the ego takes a thought with it such as "i'm not a good cook" this is one thing to handle in mundane reality, where it may never cause duress, but if this SINGLE thought manages to escape and iterate as a functional program out in the cosmos of liberated time perception amidst a high it will thusly influence ALL hallucinatory content the person experiences and create their entire sensory perceptional reality upon the idea that they are not a good cook

thusly if someone says "well it's okay" they'd be like "no no no he thinks its terrible food"

as a gentle example of such behavior, however it seems like THC has a tendency to cause these issues to me because it does not take one deep enough to shed ego, but it takes them deep enough to get buried in its denser and more irratinoal programs without fully being able to see the programs as illusions operating in an illusional self.

one time while i was stoned i was worried about police, it was my first time smoking, i was watching tv with a friend and he was talking about effects pedals, and i saw someone walk by my apartment and in my mind i created a long narrative "is it a cop? no it isn't, wait it is i saw a cop" and all this happened paralell to his words, in two different realities, so then his words literally said "hey be quiet here comes a cop" to conform into my reality so i was just real quiet and still then a while later i said "why did you say that thing about a cop" and then i remembered what happened in my mind that made it seem like he said that.

i mean his voice literally said it, it was very interesting.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (06/22/07 08:24 PM)

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Re: A discussion of Temporary Drug-induced Paranoia [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
SurCal said:
damn fool your just probably a schizo or some shit.



Listen personalisms are not allowed here and your comment means nothing to the thread which happens to be a very interesting and insightful one.
Oh and btw, before talking about schizophrenia and what it is, I'd suggest you to actually do some research about it!



Why does everyone say do some research, like you all swear your some pinche encyclopedia, I no what schizophrenia is. And i also no that smoking bud can cause mental illnesses in your family to come out in you.

My homeboys uncle is a schizo and whenever my homeboy would smoke bud or do some coca hed get paronoid as FUCK. Hed kill my high everytime i was around him. And then later on i found out about the mental illness thing and told him but he didnt beleive me and thought i was just fucking with him. Now hes like that 24/7.

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