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 Re: shroom induced miracles?  [Re: Ini]
#491401 - 12/14/01 07:52 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Allways, when I come home after a mushroom-session, the shrooms in my growcase have grown much taller... I believe that I get somehow related with the mycel when I eat its fruits.
Your post speaks of repeatability, therefore your hypothesis is very easily testable. Why not document your procedures and specific measurements for all to see.
Unless you are a rare individual, I will get the standard responses. Either
A. I know it to be true, therefore do not need to test.
B. I don't really want to test this, because I may find out that I have deceived myself and there is no magic.
C. Sounds like a good idea, but I am too lazy to take the time to document my observations in a precise manner.
Really hoping for:
D. I will do it and share my test results whether positive or negative.
If you need help, myself and others can construct an unbiased test.
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
#491410 - 12/14/01 08:01 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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The chants are suppose to give the recipient a big blast of bliss.
Read my previous post. If there is such an affect, it could be tested for.
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: Swami]
#491415 - 12/14/01 08:03 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why the need to test everything?
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Swami
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: ]
#491429 - 12/14/01 08:20 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why the need to test everything?
Surely, you are joking! Humans are known to make frequent & egregious perceptual errors. Without the testing of hypothesis, there would be no buildings, technology, clothing, music, writngs, electricity, etc.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if just one these magical claims could be shown without a doubt to be true to an impartial observer?
You will give me a big smokescreen as per usual on the evils of validation, but bottom line - you are afraid of having your false reality ripped away from you.
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: Swami]
#491442 - 12/14/01 08:36 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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No need to get flustered! I was asking an honest question.
It would indeed be wonderful to have such magical claims shown to an impartial observer to be true. But I think that some people don't feel the need to validate their experiences to others just to be right. Of course there are many people who would jump on such an opportunity, myself being one of them.
If such a test could be devised to test such metaphysical and spiritual claims in an unbiased manner, I would surely be interested in seeing it and even participating in it. Perhaps you can come up with a test and present it to everyone.
As for your last sentence, my reality is not false, and even if it were.. I think the only judge of that would be me.
Anyways, its my best friend's birthday... so I'm going to drift away in the smokescreen that is my false reality and share some fun times with him.
I look forward to hearing your (non-malicious) reply. Really.. I have no qualms with you Swami...I am genuinely interested. Forget the bullshit of the past and let us start anew with a clean slate.
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 Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: ]
#491444 - 12/14/01 08:37 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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the truth will stand up to any amount of testing.
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: mr crisper]
#491737 - 12/15/01 03:34 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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man, some of you must lead some stressful lives
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to understand other people….to be aware
to understand animals….to be a decent person
to understand plants….. to be a refined individual
to understand the mushroom…to be enlightened
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Ini
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: Swami]
#491913 - 12/15/01 10:02 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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You sound like Christian R?tsch :-) (You know who he is?)
It doesn' t matter to me if you or somebody else believes what I wrote here. For me, it was each time an experience that touched me deep. I took it as a kind of agreement for keeping the mycel in my house and eating its fruits. I don't think everithing miraculous that happens needs to be tested. But next time I trip, I will take pictures with my digicam and put it in this forum. This could take a little time, because normaly I do no sessions in winter. But you will get the pics, promissed!
while history and sience
rewrite themselves each day
some are still living
in the days of wonder
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Greez Ini
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: Swami]
#492203 - 12/15/01 05:29 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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BWAHAHAHA!! A fanatic who won't change the subject nor his mind..
My intention of the chants had zippo do with proofs and validation. So whether it can be duplicated in a controlled environment is not my friggin objective. It never was. Get it through your head, Mr. Vulcan. That question you are posing is ridiculous logic because you damn well enough it won't stand up to scientific scrutiny.. It was never my intention to convey my experiences as some all-permeating reality
This is too funny.. I must laugh again..
BWAHAHAHAH!!
KtP
ArCh
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
#494274 - 12/17/01 09:35 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Swami:
Coincidence with what? Did you say to your friends BEFORE you rolled "Hey, watch me roll 3 Yahtzees of all sixes in a row?" If not, then that particular combination has no more significance than any other 3 groupings of numbers.
Actually, it would be like rolling 18 dice, and all being 6's seeing as it happend 3 times. He in theory rolled htem 18 times and got 6's every time. The fact that it is 6, and not any other number also means somethign as 6 is the highest number, and the most valueble in the game. HOWEVER. 6 is usually rolled more. Opposite the number 6 on a dice, there is the number 1. On dice they have half circle holes in them with clack dots mean matter is taken away. The lightest side is the dice is 6. And the heaviest side of the dice is 1. 1 is bottom, 6 is top.
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: tak]
#494321 - 12/17/01 10:39 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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i have another miracle! when i consume shrooms i get the feeling that if i just walked away from "civilization" into the forest, and everything would be allright...
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: YouInfoIt]
#494881 - 12/18/01 01:40 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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 such words I' ve longtimes missed...
You found the real miracle, man!
"chant for Theo"
lay a smile upon my eyes
serenity upon my soul
let what I love
be save from harm
inebriate me good, tonite
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Remain in Light
Greez Ini
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 Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: tak]
#497576 - 12/21/01 02:53 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tak: Excellent point. I am really enjoying your analytical way of viewing things. Logic will always prevail if we allow it to do so.
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: YouInfoIt]
#497580 - 12/21/01 02:57 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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YouInfoIt, you just became my new best friend....lol. I have always longed to return to nature. At one time I got as far as being 18 hours away from leaving on this quest and beginning my trip North. My partner in the venture cancelled on me at the last minute, and I was so shocked (since it had been 3 solid weeks preperation and months of planning) that I missed my date to depart. Afterward it somehow felt wrong to leave...I blame him every day for helping me to miss my gateway. Perhaps in the future I will have another chance....*sigh*
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 They're not miracles [Re: YouInfoIt]
#497773 - 12/21/01 11:25 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe there are great portions of our brains we never access, because of our own psychological inablility to deal with them. When you take a drug, you open your mind, let go of fear. It's very possible that a sort of telekenesis, which we aren't experienced enough to control, shows itself in small ways.
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: YouInfoIt]
#498503 - 12/22/01 07:53 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I don't now if they are miracles but they are definitely enhancements.
I get what I call night vision, I can see no problem even in the darkest night, and yes my dog obeys me like a trained dog (that?s a miracle) in normal state he never obeys me. (Maybe my voice tone changes or I have become more emphatic with the animal)
And I had telepathic experiences also.
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Re: They're not miracles [Re: Angelina]
#498751 - 12/22/01 05:09 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's possible that it could be latent in the DNA -> Genes, not necessarity the brain.
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"It's possible that it could be latent in the DNA -> Genes, not necessarity the brain"
Could you please explain more precisely what you mean ?
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: LOBO]
#504724 - 12/30/01 10:29 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lobo, my animals are very obedient when i'm on shrooms as well. I think it has to do with vibrations. My vibrations roll like thunder when i'm on shrooms. I'm very in control of my soul and it's power. Keep that in mind next time. And by the way humans are very obedient to me when i'm on them as well. I went to a party one time to test it out and it was like I was a superstar. All these girls were looking at me like they I was a god, and coming up to me and talking to me(this isn't usually the case). I probably could have had sex with any of them, but at the time they all seemed not worth my time. They were drinking, and so they're brains were dull and uninteresting to me.
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: tak]
#504938 - 12/30/01 02:57 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bottom line is that the crap tables in Las Vegas and elsewhere average what the odds tell them to expect. The real world is a great place to experiment and if telekinesis existed then the casinos would remove this game as they would quickly start losing money.
To reiterate: a grouping of numbers is only significant if it can be repeated ro predicted. We have no idea of the number of Yahtzee players who haved played a lifetime without rolling 3 Yahtzees of all sixes. As it is a possibility to roll this sequence, one would expect it to happen sometime.
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