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 Re: shroom induced miracles?  [Re: LOBO]
#504951 - 12/30/01 03:06 PM (23 years, 24 days ago) |
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I get what I call night vision, I can see no problem even in the darkest night,
This is due to extreme pupil dilation, not quite as large as with a cat or an owl, but extreme for a human. While it is definitely an interesting affect, it is purely physiological.
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
#504968 - 12/30/01 03:19 PM (23 years, 24 days ago) |
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BWAHAHAHA!! A fanatic who won't change the subject nor his mind..
A fanatic about what? Look up the defintion of the word as it seems that you do not fully understand it's meaning.
My intention of the chants had zippo do with proofs and validation.
Supposedly it had to do with shroom induced miracles. When someone states (you did not) that every time I do shrooms I can create a certain effect, then that hypothesis may be easily tested. If it was validated that could very well change the outlook of the whole human race and perhaps win a Nobel Prize in psychology in the process. Perhaps even lead to *gasp* legalization.
Easier to rail on Swami as the party-basher and go chill out on the couch with some bud; than help the rest of us materialists understand the mysteries of the universe.
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: Swami]
#504996 - 12/30/01 03:42 PM (23 years, 24 days ago) |
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Wow, I agree with Swami...
So basically, you desire the tests in order for us to prove our claims to the scientific community, which would ultimately..bring the two sides together?
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: ]
#505035 - 12/30/01 04:16 PM (23 years, 24 days ago) |
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Wow, I agree with Swami...
What the..? A miracle has occurred! Start up the band.
So basically, you desire the tests in order for us to prove our claims to the scientific community, which would ultimately..bring the two sides together?
Yes. Understanding equals progress. In the early days of plague and disease there were many hypotheses on the cause. If none of them underwent testing, where would we be today?
Science is not against unusual phenomenon, but will not accept heresay evidence as proof. If one person could show that a brain in mushroom consciousness is more than a disrupted neuronal process, think what that would mean to the whole world. It would show once and for all that there are latent powers of mind that could be harnessed.
One cool experiment would be to have a webcam focused on a small sliver of perfectly balanced metal on a pivot under air-tight glass, like a compass only non-magnetized, and on or part of a firm stable structure and see if anyone could move it. A clock with date and time would also be visible for reference. There could be trip wires set on either side of the needle a few mm away that would conduct electricity and send a signal if it moved even the tiniest amount. Preferrably it would be set up in an area devoid of earthquakes ( I live south of LA) and away from heavy traffic (trucks rumbling by can vibrate my apartment) so my location is not good to host this experiment.
This would be an unbiased and valid test. Do you think anyone could move it? Perhaps you have a simpler experiment to propose. Tell me what you think you can do that is generally considered impossible.
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: Swami]
#505273 - 12/30/01 08:30 PM (23 years, 24 days ago) |
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I like that experiment. I would participate in it. I have actually been able to make a compass hand spin very rapidly on several occassions, as to whether I could do it on a regular basis...perhaps.
But I am reminded of Uri Geller who was able to bend metal spoons that were protected in plastic tubes. In another test a die was thrown out of his view and he was asked to state the number that landed. He got it right 8 times out of 8. In yet another test he was shown a series of metal containers, and was to choose which ones were empty. He got that right 12 times out of 14.
Still, results were "inconclusive" and many people claimed him a fraud.
Or there is Nina Kulagina, who was able to demonstrate psychokinesis to Dr. Zdeneck Rejdak on several occasions. She said that psychokinesis is responsible for "poltergeist activity".
Anyways, I would love to see an unbiased, conclusive test done.
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: ]
#505280 - 12/30/01 08:35 PM (23 years, 24 days ago) |
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Also, I can turn off TVs and various electrical equipment sometimes when I am in a room. It depends on my mood really, but in the past have been able to make lights flicker as I walk down a hallway, or turn off and on TVs and radios and such just by coming near them. I've also broken my lamp using psychokenesis before. How could this be proven?
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: ]
#505340 - 12/30/01 09:31 PM (23 years, 24 days ago) |
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I like that experiment. I would participate in it. I have actually been able to make a compass hand spin very rapidly on several occassions, as to whether I could do it on a regular basis...perhaps.
Could you do that at a distance?
That is the beauty of this experiment: one would not need to move it regulary to show validity.
A log could be kept to see who was at the site at the time along with a videotape of the clock and apparatus. Probably two such devices should be kept side by side to negate the possiblity of external vibration. The goal would be to move only one specific needle.
The host should clearly be a skeptic. Despite the concerns of "believers" a true skeptic would not bury positive results to prove someone wrong. Skeptics want to find some magic as much as anyone, we just need more than a story as evidence.
BTW, here is site that tests for psi power: http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/experiments/
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: Swami]
#505430 - 12/30/01 10:57 PM (23 years, 24 days ago) |
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what exactly are you trying to prove by doing this, that there is magic in mushrooms, either way i wish you all the best
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: hairs]
#505728 - 12/31/01 09:07 AM (23 years, 24 days ago) |
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what exactly are you trying to prove by doing this, that there is magic in mushrooms
Have you never asked yourself when under the influence of shrooms and something weird happened,"Did I just imagine / hallucinate that or would a sober bystander have witnessed the same thing? Basically, did I alter consensus reality or just my personal reality?"
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: Swami]
#506073 - 12/31/01 05:11 PM (23 years, 23 days ago) |
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i have had those thoughts, although not while on shrooms, on acid, and it wasnt something that wasnt there, it just fels like that everything you do or see while tripping has much more significance, and a sober person wouldnt even notice, and if they did, they wouldnt care
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: Swami]
#506540 - 01/01/02 12:48 PM (23 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yes I came to the same conclusion that the "night Vision" is due to pupil dilation.
Swami I was wondering if you had any experience that you may call paranormal or what ever you want to call it under the influence of the shrooms?
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
#506547 - 01/01/02 01:01 PM (23 years, 22 days ago) |
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I am intrested in trying the chants.
Can you tell me what type of chants you used?
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: Learyfan]
#506562 - 01/01/02 01:13 PM (23 years, 22 days ago) |
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Good observation, that had also happen to me and I can tell you that I felt that woman were more intrested in me I call that the "James Bond" effect and it works!
Vibrations could be but also I think is because I lost the fake personality under the influence of the shrooms and I transmitt a self confidence that I don't have in a normal state (again the fake personality) I lose all fear and people must fell those vibrations and I am just me.
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: LOBO]
#507114 - 01/01/02 09:52 PM (23 years, 22 days ago) |
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Swami I was wondering if you had any experience that you may call paranormal or what ever you want to call it under the influence of the shrooms?
I have had many seemingly paranormal experiences both sober and while tripping; hence my interest. But unlike many, I do not trust my own cultural filters and biases, which is why I am so demanding about objective experimental validation.
I will give two examples:
1. (Not tripping) My girlfriend was extremely agitated during a lovely weekend at a 5 star hotel. She kept telling me that she had visions of her daughter in a coffin. In 5 years this was the first time that she mentioned anything like that. Her daughter died the next morning from a prescription medicine overdose.
2. (While tripping on LSD) A different girlfriend wanted to be a photo-journalist. She claimed to have "photographer's block". To inspire her, I frequently borrowed her camera though I had no real interest. When I got my pictures back, I would have her critique my work. My photos were awful. One night we tripped together outside. While talking to her and looking in a different direction, I "saw" her framing the apricot orchard in the moonlight in her head as if for a photo. When I turned around the image in my head matched reality exactly. My photographs improved many magnitudes after that moment like a switch turned on. I understood the photographer's eye - a new way of perceiving the world. Actually set up a booth at an art show a few years later to display my unusual work.
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: Swami]
#509901 - 01/04/02 07:22 AM (23 years, 20 days ago) |
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I asked you that not because i want "stump swami" but because I respect your opinions in this forum I share a similar line of thoght with you.
I had also several experinces (not drug induce) that defies normal explanation (like " astral proyections") hence my interest in this topic.
-I do not trust my own cultural filters and biases-
I am with you 100% on this one, thats way the path to truth is so difficult some one said is like walking on the edge of a knife.
I have experimented with shrooms only as an adult and only for self exploration perpus since you did LSD i was curios, do think is better than shrooms or is the same (I never tried it) and again only as a tool for self exploration.
Thanks
Sorry for my english ( is my second language)
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 Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: YouInfoIt]
#510128 - 01/04/02 01:36 PM (23 years, 19 days ago) |
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We seem to have forgotten the point of this forum Now yall are just challenging eachothers claims. Some psykoaktive* drugs create a veiw of possibility in anything. and make people more comfident in themselves. when you believe in yourself that makes it a lot more possible to acheive something previously unacheivable. mabey its just the acid talking i dont know
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: LOBO]
#511316 - 01/05/02 05:52 PM (23 years, 18 days ago) |
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How about closed eyes vision?
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: LOBO]
#526716 - 01/20/02 04:13 PM (23 years, 3 days ago) |
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i think there are also other drugs that can provide you with very large pupils and still not give night vision... why so?
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Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: raytrace]
#527162 - 01/21/02 07:15 AM (23 years, 3 days ago) |
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I don't have an answer for you, I just reported my experience.
But I like the effect, and thats the only thing that matters. 
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 Re: shroom induced miracles? [Re: LOBO]
#528340 - 01/22/02 02:55 PM (23 years, 1 day ago) |
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well yeah it must be cool, i 've never had it myself, but i know of people that did and i just don't think that it is because of pupil dilation, there must be something else going on...
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