Pulsating said:

Well, that's an interesting question. One can study Scientology data and can improve life with it because Knowledge, Responsibility and Control are intimately related and affect one another.

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But through auditing, one is asked specific questions which cause a person to examine things anew and it frees you from past patterns which may very well be holding you down.

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But really it's like describing a psychedelic trip to someone...you could talk and talk and talk for years, but until the person experiences it, they really won't know.

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I appreciate this notion as well, but I do think that there is room for a mutual understanding to be established, even if one does not personally experience the same thing.

Psychoactive1984 said:

We should be charging you, this is exclusive information.

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What are you talking about?

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what scientology like other religions fill the void with so to speak with and what makes them such a commodity.

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Any thought or understanding of the nature of reality "fills the void". I don't comprehend how this should be portrayed in a negative light.

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Pulsating said:

Well, that's an interesting question. One can study Scientology data and can improve life with it because Knowledge, Responsibility and Control are intimately related and affect one another.

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Knowledge and responsibilty certainly are necessary pillars. In which regard is "control" used? What is being represented by it, I mean, in regards to the subject.

What knowledge in particular has personally impacted your perspective and your subsequent path in life, if you don't mine me asking?

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But through auditing, one is asked specific questions which cause a person to examine things anew and it frees you from past patterns which may very well be holding you down.

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I can appreciate this notion. Our thoughts really do create who we are, what we tell ourselves basically forms who we are. We define ourselves, and these trends can build up a lot of momentum. Tools that break the cycle and give ourselves the opportunity to transcend these patterns certainly can be effective.

Who and what do we choose to be once free of these patterns stemming from past decisions (conscious or not) as to who we will be?

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But really it's like describing a psychedelic trip to someone...you could talk and talk and talk for years, but until the person experiences it, they really won't know.

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I appreciate this notion as well, but I do think that there is room for a mutual understanding to be established, even if one does not personally experience the same thing.

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Psychoactive1984 said:

Filling the void is a goog thing don't get me wrong, i agree with you here... but its how they fill the void that i take issue with... and more so just what they're filling it up with.

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Psychoactive1984 said:

Luring you in with a contrived basis, slowly accumulating on the basis of it, till you have this monumental piece of garbage that your left wondering how you've got yourself here to begin with. Like most of its kind the premise doesn't start off small either, it doesn't rely on anything that can be proven or disproved, its merely a meme for the manipulation of others, its benefit is to itself, not those that hold it.

Just like most organized religions; nonsense in my opinion, half truths, false syllogisms. Its assumed more then anything then the foundation for it is built on that basis. Dogma... Your basic religion.

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Well, I appreciate your perspective on the matter, but for one thing, you did not answer my question as to the specific understanding that the "void" was being filled with, and you didn't actually substantiate this perspective.

In this thread, I am seeking an understanding of the nature of Scientology itself, the information and understanding that it exists as, as well as its practice, and not a viewpoint of its "actual" nature and effects such as this. Please keep these types of views in the other thread.

Pulsating said:

Control has gotten a bad rap in modern society, but in Scientology, control is defined as: the ability to Start, Change and Stop something. Lose one, or all, of those abilities and you have lost control.

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Knowledge, Responsibility and Control are thus intimately related. It applies to can openers and it applies to life.

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I agree and understand this relation. When one takes responsibility for oneself, one's actions, and one's experience of reality, for example, one needs to be capable of initiating action and thought, changing action and thought, and ceasing patterns of thought and action, and one needs to have the knowledge and understanding of how to most effectively engage in this.

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Knowledge Responsibility and Control (or KRC) form one of the triangles and the other is A-R-C which is Affinity, Reality and Communication. These three are also intimately related and inextricable from the other.

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Could you tell me more about Affinity, Reality, and Communication? I can guess what reality and communication refer to, but don't know much about the word "affinity".

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The ARC (usually pronounced by stating the individual letters), however, allows one to predict human behavior if you know more about it.

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Most certainly. The more one understands about a specific process, the more capable one is of exercising predictive power.

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As far as my personal path, that's an entire story in itself, I would just have to say that Scientology increased my KRC of life.

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And what of ARC? Is it in regards to one's perceptions of reality and one's ability to express and influence the course of reality, due to one's knowledge and ability to take action within reality, as a result of one's taking responsibility for oneself?

Psychoactive1984 said:

Thats what the void is being filled with which gives the one who is into it a sense of complacency, comunion, and trust. In order to analyze whats going in you need to know what it made out of.

It's not being filled with reason, its being filled with justification thats basis isn't on reason, but instead directly defies it.

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Psychoactive1984 said:

Thats what the void is being filled with which gives the one who is into it a sense of complacency, comunion, and trust. In order to analyze whats going in you need to know what it made out of.

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It's not being filled with reason, its being filled with justification thats basis isn't on reason, but instead directly defies it. 

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I apologize, but this statement is very ambigious, especially as I have no clue what this justification is, and thus am not capable of determining whether or not it is based upon the foundation of reason.

Pulsating said:

How many Scientology books have you read? How many Scientology courses have you done? How much auditing have you had?

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Good questions.

It is impossible to formulate an understanding of the nature of a phenomenon without actually knowing the actual content that the phenomenon is resulting from.

School is no different than a cult or religion in this regard. If you didn't actually know specifically what was being taught in school, science and math and etc., and what that understanding was based upon, you would simply observe the effects and determine that these children were being brainwashed.