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What IS Scientology?
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Well, the other thread certainly seems to be nothing but heresay, conjecture, and posturing. I'm left wondering what Scientology actually is. I've seen it proposed quite often that one has to make the distinction between all of these different aspects of what Scientology is, but isn't all these differences all aspects of Scientology?

What are these aspects? What is Scientology, and what does it offer?


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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: fireworks_god]
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I think it's like everything else...You pay your dues and receive some sort of recompense.


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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: Booby]
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I have that sense as well, but I'm curious as to the specific facets and the nature of "Scientology". What is it?


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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: fireworks_god]
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You wanna Wiki quote?


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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: fireworks_god]
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Realistically, it's the result of a paranormal idea gaining a following and getting out of control. There's hundreds of these ideas going around, even on these forums, about abstract things and how this abstract thing means that abstract thing and scientology is the result of getting enough people to believe in those abstract things.

Towards your questions, I think it has something to do with "thetons" in your body that cause all the physical illnesses in a human body. They audit you (measure your thetons) and then tell you how to train yourself to get rid of them. People say their IQs improve, clearer memory, and improved health all occur after audits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology

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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: FocusHawaii]
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FocusHawaii said:
Realistically, it's the result of a paranormal idea gaining a following and getting out of control.


How exactly is it "out of control"?


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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: fireworks_god]
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I could tell you but according to many on these boards you have to directly experience it, so it's invalid to even question without experiencing. So anything i could provide is irrelevant from this point of view including wiki. Your better off going to an unbiased scientologists forum as they've experienced the most of it. :rolleyes:


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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: fireworks_god]
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Because too many people accept it without any real evidence.

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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: FocusHawaii]
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Ok, but WHAT are their beliefs? (founded or unfounded)


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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: FocusHawaii]
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Ahhhh, I should have been more specific that I am not interested in having this thread as a carry-over from the other thread. I am simply interested in any understanding of the actual phenomenon. Please, no speculation as to whether or not the subscribers to these believes actually are justified in doing so, no sarcastic remarks spilling over from the other thread... please and thank you. :smile:


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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: fireworks_god]
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Ya, I provided some answers in the second paragraph of my post. I even added a fancy link :P.

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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Psychoactive1984 said:
I could tell you but according to many on these boards you have to directly experience it, so it's invalid to even question without experiencing.


Its kind of like thinking you understand mushrooms because you know some statistics about their use.

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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: fireworks_god]
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The goal of scientology
http://www.whatisscientology.org/html/part02/chp06/pg0181.htm

Some common sentiments regarding scientology. Another view of what it is.
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/FINAL.htm


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: daytripper23]
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Don't wish to derail the topic but some things can only be described by a point of refrence so you can indeed describe mushrooms if you define and come to a sufficient one with another individual. I don't see how this is troubling.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: fireworks_god]
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Scientology is composed of over 40 million words researched and developed during the lifetime of Ron Hubbard.
It would be impossible to give a complete rundown of the subject here, but let's start somewhere...

Scientology was not "invented" anymore than the first person to discover the cell invented it. Hubbard merely applied engineering principles to the subject of the mind and life and Scientology was the result.

Some of the basic beliefs of Scientology which can be scientifically proven is that man is a spiritual being inhabiting a body and controlling it through the mind.

The mind is the collection of ALL of the spiritual beings recordings, lifetime to lifetime. Much like a filing cabinet, but cross referenced by all the perceptions which we have.

It is the individual's own bad actions, and the subsequent negation of responsibility which cause him to suffer.

This universe is the result of agreements made between spiritual beings.

Additionally, Scientology has an exact technology with which to regain freedom from the cycle of birth survival and death, as sought by just about every other religion/philosophy.

I have placed some actual audio quotes by Hubbard, taken from recordings of his lectures, on Youtube. More will be added as time progresses.

http://www.youtube.com/TheInfiniteZero


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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: Pulsating]
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Additionally, Scientology has an exact technology with which to regain freedom from the cycle of birth survival and death, as sought by just about every other religion/philosophy.


The e-meter?

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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: Pulsating]
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So how does one "practice" Scientology? In which context are these beliefs placed? How does knowing this change one's behavior, in your experience?


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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: FocusHawaii]
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FocusHawaii said:
Additionally, Scientology has an exact technology with which to regain freedom from the cycle of birth survival and death, as sought by just about every other religion/philosophy.


The e-meter?


Nope, Auditing. The E-meter is just a tool which, during auditing, helps the being locate certain things.


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"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: fireworks_god]
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Also, what brings one to the conclusion that these beliefs are founded?

I'm simply seeking more understanding, as there is obviously something going on here with this and I am out of the loop. :grin:


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Re: What IS Scientology? [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
So how does one "practice" Scientology? In which context are these beliefs placed? How does knowing this change one's behavior, in your experience?


Well, that's an interesting question. One can study Scientology data and can improve life with it because Knowledge, Responsibility and Control are intimately related and affect one another.

But through auditing, one is asked specific questions which cause a person to examine things anew and it frees you from past patterns which may very well be holding you down.

But really it's like describing a psychedelic trip to someone...you could talk and talk and talk for years, but until the person experiences it, they really won't know.


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"I communicate, therefore I am" - I

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