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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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aDoS said:
TheFakeSunRa said:
aDoS said:
TheFakeSunRa said:
blissedout said:
aDoS said:
TheFakeSunRa said:
Snitching to INS is so lame. Mexicans are cool as shit. I've never once been bothered by a Mexican and I love the contributions they make to America. I like hearing foreign languages and living in a multi-cultural community. I'm glad Mexicans are here to add some color and spice to this shit hole. Fuck, I wish they'd take over. Nobody could fuck this place more than white people. I mean George Bush? The Mexicans wouldn't vote for that asshole! Open the borders. Hell, I'm surprised they want to come here. I think it would be cool as shit to live down there.



I don't really think it has anything to do with race...but if white people are fucking up this country so much, why were white people the ones who built this great nation in the first place? Our country has some problems, but before you call it a shit hole, why don't you go visit some of the border cities in mexico, and while your at it go and visit somalia, sierra leone, and many more countries. And return to the US and call it a shit hole. You have no idea how fucking lucky you are to even be living in this country you dick.



Good argument.:thumbup:



I've spent a several years overseas and I've spent quite a bit of time in third world countries and none of my time in the military. Meaning I did it on my own. Now go say the pledge again. :thumbup:

BTW, calling me a dick is against the etiquette of the pub. No need for that.



if you spent time in third world countries you wouldn't be calling the US a shit hole. Now go protest and be against something just because you have nothing better to do.



If you spemt time in the countries that I went to you would know that on a world scale America is a lot closer to a shit hole than a great nation. Nepal, for one, is so much cooler that it's not even funny. And you're far safer walking through the slums of Calcutta than you are in any American SHIT HOLE ghetto. But I'm glad you think that third world travel is so amazing that it's actually beyond belief. But I'm not glad that you're like so many Americans who blindly believe that life is better here. That's just bullshit they're selling you on TV. Believe me, America sucks. The quality of life is shit, the education is terrible and the health care system is straight up not only bad but THE WORST IN THE WORLD.



if it was so awesome in those countries why are you still living in the US? I'm sure no one here would miss you. You know your full of bullshit, stop making up shit. LIAR.



What do you think I'm lying about?


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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about visiting a third world country. Because if you did, you wouldn't be saying its better then the US. Its a third world country for a reason.


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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OK


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Illegals do bring the cost of labor down because of an abundant work force.



yes, and who benefits from this workforce of poorly paid illegals, the
contractors that employ them, mom and pop have friends and relatives working
for them



They are not poorly paid. They are paid a fair wage according to what the job pays. When the workforce exceeds available positions the cost of labor goes down. Simple supply and demand. There is an abundant workforce right now and if we were able to deport them and keep them out things would be better for everyone. How we go about getting them out is the debate.

I'm looking from a business perspective and I figured you would too.

Quote:
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What does this mean to construction businesses?
The short termed forecast will be ugly.



but apparently the longterm has many gains




We agree on that.

Concerning if they are good people...
We have gangs too, and we need to get rid of them all. They're trash. The working illegals don't cross the border to rape and pillage.
There are 30 million illegals in the U.S. and some are going to be problems. Just like some drug users happen to be douchebags and violent criminals.

On the subject as a whole...
I'm for an improved immigration plan. I'm just not one-sided. It's very complicated and knotted up in our system. You can't just cut the rope, you have to untangle it. So chill out, I agree with many of your views, and feel that many of the people with an impinion on the matter are simply uninformed.




Also... Some of you should read this.

tiny_rabid_birds said:
it's really interesting we're discussing this, because i'm studying up on it as we speak for my labor econ exam. i found a paragraph rather interesting.

"Illegal immigration has been the major focus of immigration policy in recent years, so it is interesting to consider how it, in particular, is likely to affect the overall disposable incomes of American citizens. While the exact answer is unknown, three considerations suggest that illegal immigration may be more likely to increase native incomes than legal immigration!

"First, illegal immigrants come mainly to work, not for purposes of family reunification. Therefore, they clearly add to the production of domestic goods and services. Second, while they tend to be poor, they are ineligible for many programs (welfare, food stamps, social security, unemployment) that transfer resources to low-income citizens. Third, despite their wish to hide from the government, immigrants cannot avoid paying most taxes (especially payroll, sales, and property taxes); indeed, one study indicated that 75 percent of illegal immigrants had income taxes witheld but that relatively few filed for a refund." - 9th ed. Modern Labor Economics: Theory and Public Policy

that basically just backs up exactly what cowgold said. and if you'd like the citations of the sources the paragraph talks about, i can give them to you.



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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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they are going to outnumber every other race because they don't know what birth control is or how to use it so they ignorantly have a 1000 kids.



please, shut the fuck up.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Cowgold]
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Cowgold said:
They are not poorly paid. They are paid a fair wage according to what the job pays.



that really is a senseless comment


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When the workforce exceeds available positions the cost of labor goes down. Simple supply and demand.



it's good to see you're beginning to see the truth, 30million illegals flooding
the US has definately driven the labor rates down, considering that only about
60% are working, what are the rest doing



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I'm for an improved immigration plan.




I like the Nancy Reagan approach. "just say no"

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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maggotz said:
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they are going to outnumber every other race because they don't know what birth control is or how to use it so they ignorantly have a 1000 kids.



please, shut the fuck up.




actualy he's somewhat right, the vast majority of hispanics are catholics, catholics dont believe in the use birth control

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Cowgold said:
They are not poorly paid.  They are paid a fair wage according to what the job pays.



that really is a senseless comment


Quote:
When the workforce exceeds available positions the cost of labor goes down.  Simple supply and demand.



it's good to see you're beginning to see the truth, 30million illegals flooding
the US has definately driven the labor rates down, considering that only about
60% are working, what are the rest doing



Quote:
I'm for an improved immigration plan. 




I like the Nancy Reagan approach. "just say no"



Stick to your farm. :rolleyes:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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maggotz said:
the thing is that a lot, if not most, of these immigrants are not from mexico. they're from central and south america. and i agree with mushbaby, there are no decent jobs for them because most of them are illiterate and even if you have a college degree it is hard to get a decent job. i can speak because i live in on of these countries. the situation is fucked and they believe in the american dream. i'm not saying i agree with what they are doing but i definitely understand why they do it.



I would do the same thing if I were in their position. It's insane to believe that they would consider a revolution in their own country over coming here for a better life! I remember one summer planting onions in the muck fields and it's something I can't imagine doing again (esp. at my age) It's back breaking work for the little pay they offer. I am convinced that they DO keep down the price of produce (Legal immagrants) I still do not approve of illegal immigrants no matter where they are from.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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aDoS said:
Bigrichshrooms said:
lol ..... wow

Ok for you people bitching about illegals. let me see hmmmmmm


Your just bitching about your own short falls.  YOU CAN SPEAK ENGLISH yet they still hire the guy that can't. Don't blaim them. The employer noticed the guy hat couldn't even speak english could get the job done.  If your so good at what you do then you would be the one hired.  Heck stop bitchin, if they really wanted you then your ass should be the boss of those who CAN'T EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH.  But yet we still see these bitchin people complaining about illigal imigrants when in reality they need to up themselves. 

It's your own shortfall you should blaim, no one else. 



On another note (they should learn english) . Hmm becuase english is the native language?  Last time I heard I don't think the pelgrims learned english from the native americans.  I don't see any of you speaking in native american tongue. 


And before any assh*les decide on saying  "english is the native language here" . Then that means you dictate what's native language by the majority race, cause your just blind siding native americans now (who are the original natives before your guys)  .

Then here's some info, in years to come hispanics will outnumber whites.  So if you wanna say majority has the word. Then I guess in years to come you better brush up on your spanish.


Face it, stop being ignorant. If your smart enough and good at what you do, then you'll get what's yours.  If someone weith less skills beat you for the position then take a look at yourself before passing judgement.



You have convinced me that you are half retarded. The reason illegals get jobs over americans is because the illegals are illegal so the employer doesn't have to pay them minimum wage. So the employer looks at, this guy who has to get payed minimum wage because he is a citizen, or a guy who isn't a citizen and doesn't mind getting payed below minimum wage because he doesn't pay taxes because hes not a fucking citizen. So they are hiring them because they are cheaper, not because they are more qualified, moron.

And what you said about english not being the native language of the US. If you know anything about history, you would know that native americans did not establish the united states, they just lived here...And since english speaking people took over and established this country, it is a english speaking country.

This country is brought to you by, White people!  :thumbup:



Damn, I never realized that would have to be explained to anyone! All except the last line at least. I don't consider this a racial issue at all. This country has always been racially diverse, read your history book.  The Blacks were brought in to do work that no one else would do, Asians came in to build the railroads, etc. Why would you think that this is a racial issue?

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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maggotz said:
Quote:
they are going to outnumber every other race because they don't know what birth control is or how to use it so they ignorantly have a 1000 kids.



please, shut the fuck up.



I come from a catholic family, most hispanics are catholic, so thats how I know they don't user birth control.


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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I come from a catholic family, most hispanics are catholic, so thats how I know they don't user birth control.



but what's the percentage of true catholics among the people that claim they're catholics. almost everyone i know says they're catholic yet most have no problem with using a condom or taking a pill.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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maggotz said:
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I come from a catholic family, most hispanics are catholic, so thats how I know they don't user birth control.



but what's the percentage of true catholics among the people that claim they're catholics. almost everyone i know says they're catholic yet most have no problem with using a condom or taking a pill.



most hispanics are pretty hard core catholics


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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if I offended you I apologize.


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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me a catholic!?!?!?! fuck you!! :lol:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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maggotz said:
me a catholic!?!?!?! fuck you!! :lol:



no, I thought you were mexican or somthing.


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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you would be correct with the "or something" part.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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I know that you know spanish, thats all.


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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did you know that, after mandarin, spanish is the most spoken language in the world.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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thats awesome but the official language of my current location is english  :drinklager:


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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