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Illegal immigrants, contact INS?
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So, in my are Ive noticed an increase 5 fold of non-english speaking guys working various jobs who are here illegally. I really dont care if theyre here, my problem is I know their taking jobs from legal citizens. I dont know of a specific case where a citizen was denied a job but I do know of 3 cases where contractors lost jobs because they were lowballed.

Would you call INS? As much as authority disagrees with me I cant help but be tempted to call it in. Theyre here to support their families, fine but, we have to support ours too. I never really understood why it pissed guys off so much until I saw it in action.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Gratos]
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I would call, but right now my opinion is biased. I just lost my job because of my plant's work being shipped to both Mexico and China. I have nothing against immigrants coming here to do work that most Americans won't, in fact I appreciate it since it keeps the price of produce down. We don't need them here illegaly.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Zepplin]
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Sorry to hear that, hopefully something comes up.

Another thing that crosses my mind is that I plan on opening up my own shop in the future. How can I do that when Im being undercut on labor and not able to bid competitively? Nothing will be done if I do call in so why rat on someone I guess.

I dont think I could bring myself to do it.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Zepplin]
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If I called INS everytime I knew someone was an illegal I would never get off of the phone where I live. Them working, doesn't really bother me, but when I don't understand what people are saying around me 50% of the time. Then I get a little pissed. Seriously is it so fucking hard for them to learn english? If I planned on living in mexico I would learn spanish instead of expecting everyone to adapt to me. Theres some fuckers that were born in this country and they still speak spanish and barley english. I have a buddy who just moved here from mexico and has only lived here around 5 months and he speaks english fluently. Is it really so much to ask that people speak the language which is spoken in that country instead of selfishly expecting everyone to adapt to them?


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:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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aDoS said:
Theres some fuckers that were born in this country and they still speak spanish and barley english. I have a buddy who just moved here from mexico and has only lived here around 5 months and he speaks english fluently. Is  it really so much to ask that people speak the language which is spoken in that country instead of selfishly expecting everyone to adapt to them?


and herein lies MY fucken problem with these people
I could care less if they're 'illegal' - just as long as they're at least *trying*

half these fuckers aren't though









I say - call INS / burn the sombrero / and fuck the little hawtie daughter before they all get fucken deported  :cheers:


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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Man its a bitch when you have to coordinate with non-english speakers/quasi english speakers. I wanna do a Samuel Jackson every time I gotta deal that shit: "ENGLISH, DO YOU SPEAK IT MOTHERFUCKER". The least a company could do is send out a person you can communicate with.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Gratos]
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unfortuanley it isnow 'illegal" to rat on a apersons legal status.
we live in a very "transition type" neighborhood. Meaning we have every 3 - 4 months a new crop of new ppl to the country. They are cray in my eyes. If you call the police and say "these fucking illegal bastards are pissing in my rose garden and getting fdrunk on my stoop!" you get a "It is impossible to verify legal status without proper inspection of papers. To accuse someone of being illegal is a serious offense. If you are wrong you can be proscuted."

yeah. welcome to my world.
call from a pay phone.
OoD


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
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if its not affecting your directly

who cares??????


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Zepplin]
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Zepplin said:
I have nothing against immigrants coming here to do work that most Americans won't, in fact I appreciate it since it keeps the price of produce down. We don't need them here illegaly.


I see you've bought into the bullshit like most everyone else, all illegal aliens
keep down is the nominal wage, if it kept prices down we wouldnt be paying more
than 25 cents for a soda, if employers would pay a decent wage for these jobs they
claim americans wont do then they'd find out that we will in fact do them.


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Another interesting fact is Washington, Oregon, and California also have the highest population when is comes to hispanics. Yet all three of the states have the highest minimum wage.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Osker246]
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would you like to move where the money isnt?


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Hell Na. Im just pointing it out to all those believers who insist illegal immigrants are keeping down minimum wage.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Osker246]
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government keeps minimum wage down, large corporations help. illegal aliens are
just a means to an end, when I was 17 I worked pitching bricks for masons, at the
time there were few hispanics in the trade here in georgia, I earned $9/hr. a few
years later there was a large influx of illegals due to the construction boom, now
more than 20 years later that same job pays the same amount of money and is
flooded by illegals

was it the fault of the worker that his pay hasnt changed in 20 years?


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Zepplin said:
I have nothing against immigrants coming here to do work that most Americans won't, in fact I appreciate it since it keeps the price of produce down. We don't need them here illegaly.


I see you've bought into the bullshit like most everyone else, all illegal aliens
keep down is the nominal wage, if it kept prices down we wouldnt be paying more
than 25 cents for a soda, if employers would pay a decent wage for these jobs they
claim americans wont do then they'd find out that we will in fact do them.


this isn't true at all. despite the effects of cheap employment on prices, the nation still experiences a greater force of inflation. The easiest way to observe this is by taking a look at agricultural prices. they have risen over time, which is to expected, despite the fact that the methods of growing/harvest/etc have stayed the same.

and even with the illegal immigrants here, keeping the prices of certain services and products lower than it would normally be, those products will still experience the effects of inflation and will still rise.


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Osker246]
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If you did call and they did deport them all they do is release them over the border. Alot of them will be back the same day!

The only thing that will ever work is to be tougher on the people who are employing these illegals. Personally I have been to Mexico (deep Mexico) and I can't blame them for coming here. There are no decent jobs and no chance of bettering themselves. As for the minimum wage, I think alot of these illegals are working under the table, so min wage wouldn't apply.


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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tiny_rabid_birds said:
his isn't true at all. despite the effects of cheap employment on prices, the nation still experiences a greater force of inflation. The easiest way to observe this is by taking a look at agricultural prices. they have risen over time, which is to expected, despite the fact that the methods of growing/harvest/etc have stayed the same.



first lets clarify something, immigrants apply for a residency status, we arent
talking about immigrants, we're talking about illegal aliens, aliens are invaders
and in more recent times they've made that very claim.

now back to the debate at hand, where does this inflationary cost come from when
labor costs arent factored in, why has this inflation exceeded the cost of
living increases, cheap labor doesnt keep costs down, look at goods sold through
walmart, most are produced in factories overseas where labor is cheap, companies
are outsourcing labor to foriegn markets and yet the prices of their products
remain the same, some even increase. it's all about increasing profit margins,
nothing more


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: mushbaby]
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the thing is that a lot, if not most, of these immigrants are not from mexico. they're from central and south america. and i agree with mushbaby, there are no decent jobs for them because most of them are illiterate and even if you have a college degree it is hard to get a decent job. i can speak because i live in on of these countries. the situation is fucked and they believe in the american dream. i'm not saying i agree with what they are doing but i definitely understand why they do it.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: mushbaby]
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mushbaby said:
no chance of bettering themselves.


really, so if the 30 million illegals currently residing here decided to return to
their home countries and demand change, if they stood up and fought the corrupt
governments they couldnt bring about some improvements in their countries?

instead they better themselves at our expense, reducing the quality of living for
working class americans


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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if all these people came home and started fighting their governments and starting revolutions, i think the US would start sticking their noses and stopping whatever was going on.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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and what do you think would happen in the US while our military is away stamping
out revolutions? does the american public really want to be involved in another
war? what about 27 small wars all over the globe, wars the size and expense of Iraq


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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it seems to me that your government doesn't really care what the people think.

this:
Quote:
really, so if the 30 million illegals currently residing here decided to return to
their home countries and demand change, if they stood up and fought the corrupt
governments they couldnt bring about some improvements in their countries?



sounds a bit too utopic.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Osker246]
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Osker246 said:
Another interesting fact is Washington, Oregon, and California also have the highest population when is comes to hispanics. Yet all three of the states have the highest minimum wage.


Yeah, but the cost of living is through the roof in those states. Like Pris said, would you move where the money isn't? I have mixed emotions about illegal immigrants. On the one hand, I would totally do the same thing, if I was in their shoes. However, I agree with the consensus that they should at least try and learn some english. I have gone out of my way to learn spanish and I don't mind learning a new language. In fact, I really dig knowing that I can go to another country and converse with it's people, but they could do likewise. I don't know. It's just a mild annoyance, at best.


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: blissedout]
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i agree, they should learn english but you have to keep in mind that a lot of them barely speak spanish correctly and can hardly write if at all. plus, they work all day, often with several jobs so time to learn a new language is scarce at best.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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That's true. Like I said, it's just a mild annoyance. I am friends with many immigrant Mexicans. I would hate to see them get fucked up over their status. Most of them are really good people that are hard workers. Nothing wrong with that.


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
does the american public really want to be involved in another
war?


When did that ever matter?


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: blissedout]
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blissedout said:
Prisoner#1 said:
does the american public really want to be involved in another
war?


When did that ever matter?


exactly.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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Pris just has a very self-righteous attitude in that he believes he is better than people born in other parts of the world and is scared of people who are different from him. He also lacks a fundamental understanding of American history and fails to see any benefit to what the immigrant brings to our country.

Regarding language, sure, they should learn English. But I've never really had that hard of a time communicating with people whether they speak English or not. Just takes a little patience.

Now, if these people are having conversations in their native tounge and this is bothering paranoid people, then those people should really just mind their own business. There is nothing wrong with communicating to people who understand you in the language you were born speaking. I have a friend from Mexico and he speaks very good English, but not perfect. Some ideas he just can not express in English and has often said to me that he wishes that I spoke Spanish. I really don't see how its a big deal...just an excuse to keep people down I guess. Its fucking lame.


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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EDIT: very stupid post I made in a very spun out state.

Edited by aDoS (06/02/07 04:27 PM)

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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maggotz said:
this:
Quote:
really, so if the 30 million illegals currently residing here decided to return to
their home countries and demand change, if they stood up and fought the corrupt
governments they couldnt bring about some improvements in their countries?



sounds a bit too utopic.



sounds like "deal with your own problems and keep them off my doorstep" to me


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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Senor_Doobie said:
Pris just has a very self-righteous attitude in that he believes he is better than people born in other parts of the world and is scared of people who are different from him. He also lacks a fundamental understanding of American history and fails to see any benefit to what the immigrant brings to our country.



immigration brought about the extermination of 6 million people in this country


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
sounds like "deal with your own problems and keep them off my doorstep" to me


If everyone did that, America wouldn't exist(though I imagine you'd have no problem with that).


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Silversoul]
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I try to encourage that


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Gratos]
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Snitching to INS is so lame. Mexicans are cool as shit. I've never once been bothered by a Mexican and I love the contributions they make to America. I like hearing foreign languages and living in a multi-cultural community. I'm glad Mexicans are here to add some color and spice to this shit hole. Fuck, I wish they'd take over. Nobody could fuck this place more than white people. I mean George Bush? The Mexicans wouldn't vote for that asshole! Open the borders. Hell, I'm surprised they want to come here. I think it would be cool as shit to live down there.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The majority of Americans that have a problem with illegal immigrants are simply nosey and self righteous.  A big part of them just need an excuse for why their own life sucks, usually because of money.   

Illegals do bring the cost of labor down because of an abundant work force.  If they do figure out a way to keep the illegals out, the abundant workforce that we have now will decrease by 30-40%.  Wage rates will increase to fill that shortage.  Good news for the American worker and especially good news for skilled American workers.

What does this mean to construction businesses?

The short termed forecast will be ugly.

Contracts underway will be losses, breakeven at best.  Higher labor costs will inflate jobcost, while contract amount will stay the same.  = LOSS

As I said before, the short term forecast will be ugly.  Only businesses with large capitol (That's big business you hippies) will be able cover the slump.  Those that don't have enough capitol (Mom and Pop businesses)will go bankrupt.

Bonding agents will also show losses as they are called to cover the costs to complete projects going over budget.  Resulting with caution in bonding small businesses.  (further hurting mom and pop) 

Nearly every contract will require a bond as owners and architects fear the increased possibility that their buildings won't be completed.  Small businesses will hurt as a result because they have the hardest time getting bonded.

Long term...
The long term forecast is promising.  New contracts will have adjusted labor costs, but their will be less competition. 

Why will their be less competition?  No small businesses with low overhead will be around to underbid contracts.  Big businesses will exploit the lack of competition and squeeze as much profit as possible out of every project they can.


Personaly, I'm for increased profit margins and respect for qualified bidders.  Construction managers and general contractors have been wreckless in what sub-contractors they hire.  Too many sub-contractors fill their office with gas every morning.  Who can bid against these guys? 


That being said... illegals are good people who want the American dream more than most Americans.:sad:

My concern is how the government decides to accomplish getting the illegals out and who is hung in the process.  When all is said and done foreigner's dreams should not be our concern.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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TheFakeSunRa said:
Snitching to INS is so lame. Mexicans are cool as shit. I've never once been bothered by a Mexican and I love the contributions they make to America. I like hearing foreign languages and living in a multi-cultural community. I'm glad Mexicans are here to add some color and spice to this shit hole. Fuck, I wish they'd take over. Nobody could fuck this place more than white people. I mean George Bush? The Mexicans wouldn't vote for that asshole! Open the borders. Hell, I'm surprised they want to come here. I think it would be cool as shit to live down there.


I don't really think it has anything to do with race...but if white people are fucking up this country so much, why were white people the ones who built this great nation in the first place? Our country has some problems, but before you call it a shit hole, why don't you go visit some of the border cities in mexico, and while your at it go and visit somalia, sierra leone, and many more countries. And return to the US and call it a shit hole. You have no idea how fucking lucky you are to even be living in this country you dick.


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:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Zepplin said:
I have nothing against immigrants coming here to do work that most Americans won't, in fact I appreciate it since it keeps the price of produce down. We don't need them here illegaly.


I see you've bought into the bullshit like most everyone else, all illegal aliens
keep down is the nominal wage, if it kept prices down we wouldnt be paying more
than 25 cents for a soda, if employers would pay a decent wage for these jobs they
claim americans wont do then they'd find out that we will in fact do them.


I agree completely, except I know plenty of americans who'll willingly work these jobs for shit pay anyways.. I lost my last job to a mexican, I worked for servicemaster doing some really nasty jobs. I've got no problem with illegals but i do have a problem with them taking my job. I've yet to meet a job that I wouldn't do, i have dealt with the nastiest situations you can imagine involving crime scene/suicide cleanup, sewer damage remediation, black mold remediation in a closed attic in a full body tyvek suit on a 100 degree day, stall cleaner (large horse farm), and hours upon hours in the feilds and fruit orchards picking fruit. I've had more injuries than i care to think about while working and have yet to expect to see one penny for it from the employer. I did all of this happily for minimum wage ($7.00/HR) and let them have me on call 24/7 working well over 60 hours a week.

I'm so fucking sick of people sayin the illegals are here to do the jobs most americans won't, granted i'm not most americans, but there's plenty of us in the minority to fill the gap.


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
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If you're willing to do the job for $7/hr, why would they want to pay you more? Business is about making money not giving it away.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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aDoS said:
TheFakeSunRa said:
Snitching to INS is so lame. Mexicans are cool as shit. I've never once been bothered by a Mexican and I love the contributions they make to America. I like hearing foreign languages and living in a multi-cultural community. I'm glad Mexicans are here to add some color and spice to this shit hole. Fuck, I wish they'd take over. Nobody could fuck this place more than white people. I mean George Bush? The Mexicans wouldn't vote for that asshole! Open the borders. Hell, I'm surprised they want to come here. I think it would be cool as shit to live down there.


I don't really think it has anything to do with race...but if white people are fucking up this country so much, why were white people the ones who built this great nation in the first place? Our country has some problems, but before you call it a shit hole, why don't you go visit some of the border cities in mexico, and while your at it go and visit somalia, sierra leone, and many more countries. And return to the US and call it a shit hole. You have no idea how fucking lucky you are to even be living in this country you dick.


Good argument.:thumbup:


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Cowgold]
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Cowgold said:
If you're willing to do the job for $7/hr, why would they want to pay you more? Business is about making money not giving it away.


i said i did it happily for 7 dollars an hour, i never asked for more or felt they should pay more, it was more than enough for my needs.

the illegal made $7/hr last i heard.


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♫ ♪ In the garden of many fields, there is no me or you. There is no right or wrong. There is no up or down. There is no black or white. Everyone is the plow man. Everyone is the seed. Everyone harvests and everyone yields. In the garden of many fields, everyone is one with one love and one love is one with everyone. ♪ ♫
lyrics from: Transglobal Underground - Eyeway Souljah (from Psychic Karaoke)

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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i agree with you.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: blissedout]
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blissedout said:
aDoS said:
TheFakeSunRa said:
Snitching to INS is so lame. Mexicans are cool as shit. I've never once been bothered by a Mexican and I love the contributions they make to America. I like hearing foreign languages and living in a multi-cultural community. I'm glad Mexicans are here to add some color and spice to this shit hole. Fuck, I wish they'd take over. Nobody could fuck this place more than white people. I mean George Bush? The Mexicans wouldn't vote for that asshole! Open the borders. Hell, I'm surprised they want to come here. I think it would be cool as shit to live down there.


I don't really think it has anything to do with race...but if white people are fucking up this country so much, why were white people the ones who built this great nation in the first place? Our country has some problems, but before you call it a shit hole, why don't you go visit some of the border cities in mexico, and while your at it go and visit somalia, sierra leone, and many more countries. And return to the US and call it a shit hole. You have no idea how fucking lucky you are to even be living in this country you dick.


Good argument.:thumbup:


I've spent a several years overseas and I've spent quite a bit of time in third world countries and none of my time in the military. Meaning I did it on my own. Now go say the pledge again. :thumbup:

BTW, calling me a dick is against the etiquette of the pub. No need for that.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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TheFakeSunRa said:
blissedout said:
aDoS said:
TheFakeSunRa said:
Snitching to INS is so lame. Mexicans are cool as shit. I've never once been bothered by a Mexican and I love the contributions they make to America. I like hearing foreign languages and living in a multi-cultural community. I'm glad Mexicans are here to add some color and spice to this shit hole. Fuck, I wish they'd take over. Nobody could fuck this place more than white people. I mean George Bush? The Mexicans wouldn't vote for that asshole! Open the borders. Hell, I'm surprised they want to come here. I think it would be cool as shit to live down there.


I don't really think it has anything to do with race...but if white people are fucking up this country so much, why were white people the ones who built this great nation in the first place? Our country has some problems, but before you call it a shit hole, why don't you go visit some of the border cities in mexico, and while your at it go and visit somalia, sierra leone, and many more countries. And return to the US and call it a shit hole. You have no idea how fucking lucky you are to even be living in this country you dick.


Good argument.:thumbup:


I've spent a several years overseas and I've spent quite a bit of time in third world countries and none of my time in the military. Meaning I did it on my own. Now go say the pledge again. :thumbup:

BTW, calling me a dick is against the etiquette of the pub. No need for that.


if you spent time in third world countries you wouldn't be calling the US a shit hole. Now go protest and be against something just because you have nothing better to do.


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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lol ..... wow

Ok for you people bitching about illegals. let me see hmmmmmm


Your just bitching about your own short falls. YOU CAN SPEAK ENGLISH yet they still hire the guy that can't. Don't blaim them. The employer noticed the guy hat couldn't even speak english could get the job done. If your so good at what you do then you would be the one hired. Heck stop bitchin, if they really wanted you then your ass should be the boss of those who CAN'T EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH. But yet we still see these bitchin people complaining about illigal imigrants when in reality they need to up themselves.

It's your own shortfall you should blaim, no one else.



On another note (they should learn english) . Hmm becuase english is the native language? Last time I heard I don't think the pelgrims learned english from the native americans. I don't see any of you speaking in native american tongue.


And before any assh*les decide on saying "english is the native language here" . Then that means you dictate what's native language by the majority race, cause your just blind siding native americans now (who are the original natives before your guys) .

Then here's some info, in years to come hispanics will outnumber whites. So if you wanna say majority has the word. Then I guess in years to come you better brush up on your spanish.


Face it, stop being ignorant. If your smart enough and good at what you do, then you'll get what's yours. If someone weith less skills beat you for the position then take a look at yourself before passing judgement.


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Bigrichshrooms]
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Bigrichshrooms said:
lol ..... wow

Ok for you people bitching about illegals. let me see hmmmmmm


Your just bitching about your own short falls.  YOU CAN SPEAK ENGLISH yet they still hire the guy that can't. Don't blaim them. The employer noticed the guy hat couldn't even speak english could get the job done.  If your so good at what you do then you would be the one hired.  Heck stop bitchin, if they really wanted you then your ass should be the boss of those who CAN'T EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH.  But yet we still see these bitchin people complaining about illigal imigrants when in reality they need to up themselves. 

It's your own shortfall you should blaim, no one else. 



On another note (they should learn english) . Hmm becuase english is the native language?  Last time I heard I don't think the pelgrims learned english from the native americans.  I don't see any of you speaking in native american tongue. 


And before any assh*les decide on saying  "english is the native language here" . Then that means you dictate what's native language by the majority race, cause your just blind siding native americans now (who are the original natives before your guys)  .

Then here's some info, in years to come hispanics will outnumber whites.  So if you wanna say majority has the word. Then I guess in years to come you better brush up on your spanish.


Face it, stop being ignorant. If your smart enough and good at what you do, then you'll get what's yours.  If someone weith less skills beat you for the position then take a look at yourself before passing judgement.


You have convinced me that you are half retarded. The reason illegals get jobs over americans is because the illegals are illegal so the employer doesn't have to pay them minimum wage. So the employer looks at, this guy who has to get payed minimum wage because he is a citizen, or a guy who isn't a citizen and doesn't mind getting payed below minimum wage because he doesn't pay taxes because hes not a fucking citizen. So they are hiring them because they are cheaper, not because they are more qualified, moron.

And what you said about english not being the native language of the US. If you know anything about history, you would know that native americans did not establish the united states, they just lived here...And since english speaking people took over and established this country, it is a english speaking country.

This country is brought to you by, White people!  :thumbup:


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Established? but who's keeping up with it?

last time I checked most maids , live in health care providers, roofers, builders , farm workers, people who cut the lawn, pick up your garbage , food service .... majority seems to be minorities.....

So as far as establishing that alot of hoowie ... cause ya sure aren't maintaining it.



And if an employer rather risk heavy fines and losing a license to higher an illegal under the table it's because they realise a bitchin person as yourself is too over priced and underskilled to be hired at an undeserving wage. think about it, employers rather risk all that then to hire people like you.... Your not looking that highly right now.

Like I said before blaim your own short falling.


And if by establishing you mean by raping , pillaging, plagueing , and killing the natives then kudos to you on your barbaric outlook on life.


So before acusing of someone of down syndrome you should take a look at your own dee dee dee self .


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Gratos]
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Why would they learn the language when they believe you are on their land. La Raza (the race) anyone?

Wait until the illegals outnumber the natives, what would be the point of learning english then?


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Hank, FTW said:
Why would they learn the language when they believe you are on their land. La Raza (the race) anyone?

Wait until the illegals outnumber the natives, what would be the point of learning english then?




Exactly .... Hispanics are gonna outnumber all other races in the future.

I wonder if there's gonna be hispanics talking about how they wish white people would learn spanish so they have to stop putting up menus and signs in english lol


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Bigrichshrooms]
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I don't think I said anything about minorities buddy. I only talked about illegals. And by establish, I mean establishing this country. And yea violence was involved. This country was built on violence. Because violence comes before peace. There is no peace with out war.

I'm going to stop reading your post because I feel my iq dropping just listening to you.

dee dee dee?? you got that from mencia? that crappy comedian that takes material from everyone else?? dee dee dee is the only thing that guy came up with and he killed it the first episode when he used it 50 times. Mencia is only good at attracting stupid people to watch his show, so I can see why you like that guy.

If I was stupid as you, I would of probably killed myself by now. How do you resist it?


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Bigrichshrooms]
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Bigrichshrooms said:
Hank, FTW said:
Why would they learn the language when they believe you are on their land. La Raza (the race) anyone?

Wait until the illegals outnumber the natives, what would be the point of learning english then?




Exactly .... Hispanics are gonna outnumber all other races in the future.

I wonder if there's gonna be hispanics talking about how they wish white people would learn spanish so they have to stop putting up menus and signs in english lol


they are going to outnumber every other race because they don't know what birth control is or how to use it so they ignorantly have a 1000 kids.


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

Edited by aDoS (06/03/07 01:48 AM)

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Bigrichshrooms]
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Thats bullshit, they have an unfair advantage, employers dont even pay them minimum wage. They dont live here yet they come in and employers use them to undercut other business which obey the law, dont think for a second the business owners are making less money, thats just bad business. Maybe its the alcohol taking but the next time I come across another illegal Honduran Im gunna throw him off a 5 high scaffold. Wait until it happens to your industry and well see how you feel about it, I never gave a fuck until I saw it for myself. Fuck, even tech jobs are outsourced now and truck drivers are next. No ones irreplaceable, do you wanna be replaced by someone fresh off the boat because theyre cheaper? I sure dont want to live in your America.

Edited by Gratos (06/03/07 02:10 AM)

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Gratos]
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What I dont understand its illegal for them to be hear in the USA and no one does anything about it.Because, there bettering there life.But, if I smoke an illegal flower for my pain.To better my life, they are going to do something about it to me.


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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aDoS said:
TheFakeSunRa said:
blissedout said:
aDoS said:
TheFakeSunRa said:
Snitching to INS is so lame. Mexicans are cool as shit. I've never once been bothered by a Mexican and I love the contributions they make to America. I like hearing foreign languages and living in a multi-cultural community. I'm glad Mexicans are here to add some color and spice to this shit hole. Fuck, I wish they'd take over. Nobody could fuck this place more than white people. I mean George Bush? The Mexicans wouldn't vote for that asshole! Open the borders. Hell, I'm surprised they want to come here. I think it would be cool as shit to live down there.


I don't really think it has anything to do with race...but if white people are fucking up this country so much, why were white people the ones who built this great nation in the first place? Our country has some problems, but before you call it a shit hole, why don't you go visit some of the border cities in mexico, and while your at it go and visit somalia, sierra leone, and many more countries. And return to the US and call it a shit hole. You have no idea how fucking lucky you are to even be living in this country you dick.


Good argument.:thumbup:


I've spent a several years overseas and I've spent quite a bit of time in third world countries and none of my time in the military. Meaning I did it on my own. Now go say the pledge again. :thumbup:

BTW, calling me a dick is against the etiquette of the pub. No need for that.


if you spent time in third world countries you wouldn't be calling the US a shit hole. Now go protest and be against something just because you have nothing better to do.


If you spemt time in the countries that I went to you would know that on a world scale America is a lot closer to a shit hole than a great nation. Nepal, for one, is so much cooler that it's not even funny. And you're far safer walking through the slums of Calcutta than you are in any American SHIT HOLE ghetto. But I'm glad you think that third world travel is so amazing that it's actually beyond belief. But I'm not glad that you're like so many Americans who blindly believe that life is better here. That's just bullshit they're selling you on TV. Believe me, America sucks. The quality of life is shit, the education is terrible and the health care system is straight up not only bad but THE WORST IN THE WORLD.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Cowgold]
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Cowgold said:
The majority of Americans that have a problem with illegal immigrants are simply nosey and self righteous.


many of those having a problem with illegals are naturalized citizens that worked for years to become citizens

Quote:
Illegals do bring the cost of labor down because of an abundant work force.


yes, and who benefits from this workforce of poorly paid illegals, the
contractors that employ them, mom and pop have friends and relatives working
for them

Quote:
What does this mean to construction businesses?
The short termed forecast will be ugly.


but apparently the longterm has many gains

Quote:
That being said... illegals are good people


yeah... so many of them a just fucking wonderful

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51424
http://www.wlwt.com/news/13394268/detail.html
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/7586027.html
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Wow. We got some bigots in the pub!


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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you dont have to be a bigot to support the deportation of illegal immigrants


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Unless you also think white people should be sent back to Europe you're a bigot and some government definition of legal or illegal is your excuse.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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actually, I've made that statement hundreds of times here on the shroomery


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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TheFakeSunRa said:
aDoS said:
TheFakeSunRa said:
blissedout said:
aDoS said:
TheFakeSunRa said:
Snitching to INS is so lame. Mexicans are cool as shit. I've never once been bothered by a Mexican and I love the contributions they make to America. I like hearing foreign languages and living in a multi-cultural community. I'm glad Mexicans are here to add some color and spice to this shit hole. Fuck, I wish they'd take over. Nobody could fuck this place more than white people. I mean George Bush? The Mexicans wouldn't vote for that asshole! Open the borders. Hell, I'm surprised they want to come here. I think it would be cool as shit to live down there.


I don't really think it has anything to do with race...but if white people are fucking up this country so much, why were white people the ones who built this great nation in the first place? Our country has some problems, but before you call it a shit hole, why don't you go visit some of the border cities in mexico, and while your at it go and visit somalia, sierra leone, and many more countries. And return to the US and call it a shit hole. You have no idea how fucking lucky you are to even be living in this country you dick.


Good argument.:thumbup:


I've spent a several years overseas and I've spent quite a bit of time in third world countries and none of my time in the military. Meaning I did it on my own. Now go say the pledge again. :thumbup:

BTW, calling me a dick is against the etiquette of the pub. No need for that.


if you spent time in third world countries you wouldn't be calling the US a shit hole. Now go protest and be against something just because you have nothing better to do.


If you spemt time in the countries that I went to you would know that on a world scale America is a lot closer to a shit hole than a great nation. Nepal, for one, is so much cooler that it's not even funny. And you're far safer walking through the slums of Calcutta than you are in any American SHIT HOLE ghetto. But I'm glad you think that third world travel is so amazing that it's actually beyond belief. But I'm not glad that you're like so many Americans who blindly believe that life is better here. That's just bullshit they're selling you on TV. Believe me, America sucks. The quality of life is shit, the education is terrible and the health care system is straight up not only bad but THE WORST IN THE WORLD.


if it was so awesome in those countries why are you still living in the US? I'm sure no one here would miss you. You know your full of bullshit, stop making up shit. LIAR.


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TheFakeSunRa said:
Unless you also think white people should be sent back to Europe you're a bigot and some government definition of legal or illegal is your excuse.


That makes no sense because europeans didn't immigrate to an already established country. No one is saying we should kick all of the mexicans out. Everyone is for kicking illegals out though. Illegal doesn't = mexican.


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Prisoner#1 said:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51424
http://www.wlwt.com/news/13394268/detail.html
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/7586027.html
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/


LOL.I was watching the Spanish news and didnt see anything like that. Instead they where supporting a illegal, sorry immigrant. That ran over a cop and left him there for dead.And how he was a victim because he was scared to call for help because of the US Immigration policy. The poor guy ran over a cop stupid immigration policy's fault!!

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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aDoS said:
TheFakeSunRa said:
aDoS said:
TheFakeSunRa said:
blissedout said:
aDoS said:
TheFakeSunRa said:
Snitching to INS is so lame. Mexicans are cool as shit. I've never once been bothered by a Mexican and I love the contributions they make to America. I like hearing foreign languages and living in a multi-cultural community. I'm glad Mexicans are here to add some color and spice to this shit hole. Fuck, I wish they'd take over. Nobody could fuck this place more than white people. I mean George Bush? The Mexicans wouldn't vote for that asshole! Open the borders. Hell, I'm surprised they want to come here. I think it would be cool as shit to live down there.


I don't really think it has anything to do with race...but if white people are fucking up this country so much, why were white people the ones who built this great nation in the first place? Our country has some problems, but before you call it a shit hole, why don't you go visit some of the border cities in mexico, and while your at it go and visit somalia, sierra leone, and many more countries. And return to the US and call it a shit hole. You have no idea how fucking lucky you are to even be living in this country you dick.


Good argument.:thumbup:


I've spent a several years overseas and I've spent quite a bit of time in third world countries and none of my time in the military. Meaning I did it on my own. Now go say the pledge again. :thumbup:

BTW, calling me a dick is against the etiquette of the pub. No need for that.


if you spent time in third world countries you wouldn't be calling the US a shit hole. Now go protest and be against something just because you have nothing better to do.


If you spemt time in the countries that I went to you would know that on a world scale America is a lot closer to a shit hole than a great nation. Nepal, for one, is so much cooler that it's not even funny. And you're far safer walking through the slums of Calcutta than you are in any American SHIT HOLE ghetto. But I'm glad you think that third world travel is so amazing that it's actually beyond belief. But I'm not glad that you're like so many Americans who blindly believe that life is better here. That's just bullshit they're selling you on TV. Believe me, America sucks. The quality of life is shit, the education is terrible and the health care system is straight up not only bad but THE WORST IN THE WORLD.


if it was so awesome in those countries why are you still living in the US? I'm sure no one here would miss you. You know your full of bullshit, stop making up shit. LIAR.


What do you think I'm lying about?


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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about visiting a third world country. Because if you did, you wouldn't be saying its better then the US. Its a third world country for a reason.


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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OK


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Quote:
Quote:
Illegals do bring the cost of labor down because of an abundant work force.


yes, and who benefits from this workforce of poorly paid illegals, the
contractors that employ them, mom and pop have friends and relatives working
for them


They are not poorly paid. They are paid a fair wage according to what the job pays. When the workforce exceeds available positions the cost of labor goes down. Simple supply and demand. There is an abundant workforce right now and if we were able to deport them and keep them out things would be better for everyone. How we go about getting them out is the debate.

I'm looking from a business perspective and I figured you would too.

Quote:
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What does this mean to construction businesses?
The short termed forecast will be ugly.


but apparently the longterm has many gains



We agree on that.

Concerning if they are good people...
We have gangs too, and we need to get rid of them all. They're trash. The working illegals don't cross the border to rape and pillage.
There are 30 million illegals in the U.S. and some are going to be problems. Just like some drug users happen to be douchebags and violent criminals.

On the subject as a whole...
I'm for an improved immigration plan. I'm just not one-sided. It's very complicated and knotted up in our system. You can't just cut the rope, you have to untangle it. So chill out, I agree with many of your views, and feel that many of the people with an impinion on the matter are simply uninformed.




Also... Some of you should read this.

tiny_rabid_birds said:
it's really interesting we're discussing this, because i'm studying up on it as we speak for my labor econ exam. i found a paragraph rather interesting.

"Illegal immigration has been the major focus of immigration policy in recent years, so it is interesting to consider how it, in particular, is likely to affect the overall disposable incomes of American citizens. While the exact answer is unknown, three considerations suggest that illegal immigration may be more likely to increase native incomes than legal immigration!

"First, illegal immigrants come mainly to work, not for purposes of family reunification. Therefore, they clearly add to the production of domestic goods and services. Second, while they tend to be poor, they are ineligible for many programs (welfare, food stamps, social security, unemployment) that transfer resources to low-income citizens. Third, despite their wish to hide from the government, immigrants cannot avoid paying most taxes (especially payroll, sales, and property taxes); indeed, one study indicated that 75 percent of illegal immigrants had income taxes witheld but that relatively few filed for a refund." - 9th ed. Modern Labor Economics: Theory and Public Policy

that basically just backs up exactly what cowgold said. and if you'd like the citations of the sources the paragraph talks about, i can give them to you.


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Quote:
they are going to outnumber every other race because they don't know what birth control is or how to use it so they ignorantly have a 1000 kids.


please, shut the fuck up.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Cowgold]
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Cowgold said:
They are not poorly paid. They are paid a fair wage according to what the job pays.


that really is a senseless comment


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When the workforce exceeds available positions the cost of labor goes down. Simple supply and demand.


it's good to see you're beginning to see the truth, 30million illegals flooding
the US has definately driven the labor rates down, considering that only about
60% are working, what are the rest doing



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I'm for an improved immigration plan.



I like the Nancy Reagan approach. "just say no"


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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maggotz said:
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they are going to outnumber every other race because they don't know what birth control is or how to use it so they ignorantly have a 1000 kids.


please, shut the fuck up.



actualy he's somewhat right, the vast majority of hispanics are catholics, catholics dont believe in the use birth control


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Cowgold said:
They are not poorly paid.  They are paid a fair wage according to what the job pays.


that really is a senseless comment


Quote:
When the workforce exceeds available positions the cost of labor goes down.  Simple supply and demand.


it's good to see you're beginning to see the truth, 30million illegals flooding
the US has definately driven the labor rates down, considering that only about
60% are working, what are the rest doing



Quote:
I'm for an improved immigration plan. 



I like the Nancy Reagan approach. "just say no"


Stick to your farm. :rolleyes:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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maggotz said:
the thing is that a lot, if not most, of these immigrants are not from mexico. they're from central and south america. and i agree with mushbaby, there are no decent jobs for them because most of them are illiterate and even if you have a college degree it is hard to get a decent job. i can speak because i live in on of these countries. the situation is fucked and they believe in the american dream. i'm not saying i agree with what they are doing but i definitely understand why they do it.


I would do the same thing if I were in their position. It's insane to believe that they would consider a revolution in their own country over coming here for a better life! I remember one summer planting onions in the muck fields and it's something I can't imagine doing again (esp. at my age) It's back breaking work for the little pay they offer. I am convinced that they DO keep down the price of produce (Legal immagrants) I still do not approve of illegal immigrants no matter where they are from.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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aDoS said:
Bigrichshrooms said:
lol ..... wow

Ok for you people bitching about illegals. let me see hmmmmmm


Your just bitching about your own short falls.  YOU CAN SPEAK ENGLISH yet they still hire the guy that can't. Don't blaim them. The employer noticed the guy hat couldn't even speak english could get the job done.  If your so good at what you do then you would be the one hired.  Heck stop bitchin, if they really wanted you then your ass should be the boss of those who CAN'T EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH.  But yet we still see these bitchin people complaining about illigal imigrants when in reality they need to up themselves. 

It's your own shortfall you should blaim, no one else. 



On another note (they should learn english) . Hmm becuase english is the native language?  Last time I heard I don't think the pelgrims learned english from the native americans.  I don't see any of you speaking in native american tongue. 


And before any assh*les decide on saying  "english is the native language here" . Then that means you dictate what's native language by the majority race, cause your just blind siding native americans now (who are the original natives before your guys)  .

Then here's some info, in years to come hispanics will outnumber whites.  So if you wanna say majority has the word. Then I guess in years to come you better brush up on your spanish.


Face it, stop being ignorant. If your smart enough and good at what you do, then you'll get what's yours.  If someone weith less skills beat you for the position then take a look at yourself before passing judgement.


You have convinced me that you are half retarded. The reason illegals get jobs over americans is because the illegals are illegal so the employer doesn't have to pay them minimum wage. So the employer looks at, this guy who has to get payed minimum wage because he is a citizen, or a guy who isn't a citizen and doesn't mind getting payed below minimum wage because he doesn't pay taxes because hes not a fucking citizen. So they are hiring them because they are cheaper, not because they are more qualified, moron.

And what you said about english not being the native language of the US. If you know anything about history, you would know that native americans did not establish the united states, they just lived here...And since english speaking people took over and established this country, it is a english speaking country.

This country is brought to you by, White people!  :thumbup:


Damn, I never realized that would have to be explained to anyone! All except the last line at least. I don't consider this a racial issue at all. This country has always been racially diverse, read your history book.  The Blacks were brought in to do work that no one else would do, Asians came in to build the railroads, etc. Why would you think that this is a racial issue?

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maggotz said:
Quote:
they are going to outnumber every other race because they don't know what birth control is or how to use it so they ignorantly have a 1000 kids.


please, shut the fuck up.


I come from a catholic family, most hispanics are catholic, so thats how I know they don't user birth control.


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:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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I come from a catholic family, most hispanics are catholic, so thats how I know they don't user birth control.


but what's the percentage of true catholics among the people that claim they're catholics. almost everyone i know says they're catholic yet most have no problem with using a condom or taking a pill.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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maggotz said:
Quote:
I come from a catholic family, most hispanics are catholic, so thats how I know they don't user birth control.


but what's the percentage of true catholics among the people that claim they're catholics. almost everyone i know says they're catholic yet most have no problem with using a condom or taking a pill.


most hispanics are pretty hard core catholics


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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if I offended you I apologize.


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:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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me a catholic!?!?!?! fuck you!! :lol:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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maggotz said:
me a catholic!?!?!?! fuck you!! :lol:


no, I thought you were mexican or somthing.


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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you would be correct with the "or something" part.

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I know that you know spanish, thats all.


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:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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did you know that, after mandarin, spanish is the most spoken language in the world.

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thats awesome but the official language of my current location is english  :drinklager:


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:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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maggotz said:
did you know that, after mandarin, spanish is the most spoken language in the world.


I'll make it a point to learn it if I ever decide to move to MooGoo GaiPan


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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i'm sure you will.

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I dont think I'd have much choice...


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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what is MooGoo GaiPan? i googled it and all i see is chinese food. are you fucking with me or is there really a place called like that?

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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fucking with, google is the guiding light.


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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google > any god

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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complete racist sterotype shitfucks.
what about the others?? no race is perfect, like how fucking hics stink
and spoil their children and go to doctor phil for answers?
spanish is from spain, english is from england whats not to say that the white man had everything and still took california from mexico. most of these people are either fucking racist or stupid. the kept slaves from africa, had an army of nazi's for the arien race. what kind of bullshit is that? just like the native americans whos land was the US dubbing them as "white devils" and kill them in slow painful death to avenge the losses of tribes and other shit. we are all humans and on the same fucking planet whether you like it or not, tuff shit,
if you got problems with some one cause of their skin color, race, or anything, tell them to their fucking face, bring the fucking rukus, if not go back into hiding your shit talking pussy cave and dont come out,
theres no beef between me and other races just dont start shit, mexicans indians metizos what ever, were fine till those faggets came in their piece of shit boats, from their small piece of shit land where whites threw their shit out the window and NEVER EVEN FUCKING BATHED, and fucked over everyone. those gross stinky fucks, at least they had better hygene than old europe, so dont fucking diss other races cause no fucking race is perfect get that through some of your thickass skulls


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: wutang]
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Chinese > all others!!!




haha jk


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: aDoS]
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aDoS said:
maggotz said:
Quote:
they are going to outnumber every other race because they don't know what birth control is or how to use it so they ignorantly have a 1000 kids.


please, shut the fuck up.


I come from a catholic family, most hispanics are catholic, so thats how I know they don't user birth control.


man from reading your posts, you are a dumb fuck. abortions are an OPTION A YES OR NO THING dumbass, its up to them! im sure some fucking hicks have familys of 30 in a trailor park drinking fucking liquor while they are pregnant jesus


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Gratos]
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I, in theory, am against illegal immigration. In practice, though, I won't do a damned thing because I am learning a skilled trade that illegal immigrants can't infiltrate. Until border jumpers start filling legal positions I think I'm in the clear.

Also, the idiocy and the baseless cries of "RACISM!!!!111" in this thread are almost embarrassing. Actually, scratch that. It is embarrassing.

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: wutang]
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wutang said:
aDoS said:
maggotz said:
Quote:
they are going to outnumber every other race because they don't know what birth control is or how to use it so they ignorantly have a 1000 kids.


please, shut the fuck up.


I come from a catholic family, most hispanics are catholic, so thats how I know they don't user birth control.


man from reading your posts, you are a dumb fuck. abortions are an OPTION A YES OR NO THING dumbass, its up to them! im sure some fucking hicks have familys of 30 in a trailor park drinking fucking liquor while they are pregnant jesus


No flaming in the Pub. I'm sure you can get that into your huge brain, right?

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Redstorm]
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there was a study that projected that in the year 2020 or something

in CA
the percent of all Mexicans, not hispanics or other spanish speakers mind you, would make up 60% of the population here


which is funny because in california most of the mexicans don't do a god damn thing except fill up our schools with their millions of children, for free since they are illegal. ALSO, i am kind of pissed off that each time i get my paycheck, half of the money goes to some fucking Juanito who lives in Los Angeles who probably mows lawns and sells some shwag ass weed.

no i am not racist
if you are mexican, have a degree, are a citizen, and actually do something to help society, well then i have no problem with you.

but if you are an illegal, who uses our healthcare, doesnt pay taxes, sends their illiterate ass kids to our public schools for free. well then my friend, please kill yourself and go to hell.

my tax money should go to something productive, or at least something useful like a park. not to some fucker who hopped a border and gets more benefits then i do. FREE healthcare and FREE education and FREE car insurance and they even get a driver's license


fuck all illegals whether they are brown, yellow, purple, blue.
please leave america


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: meatcakeman]
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our tax money goes to the fucking war bush started paying for the damn troops that get blown to pieces and sent in a bag to their family!!
our tax money goes to fucking building a wall on the border of mexico,
BUT THE FUCKING TERRORISTS CAME FROM THE CANADIAN BORDER!!!
how retarded and racist is america? MARIJUANA is illegal because of not putting a tax on it and being racist making it illegal because its from mexico, same for peyote.
but psilocybe spores are legal to possess in some states. wtf is up with that?? dude fuck the government its a retarded ass headless chickens who have no clue what the fuck they are doing.


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Quote:
sends their illiterate ass kids to our public schools


were you not illiterate when you first went to school?

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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Redstorm]
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yeah prince of bugs,
go back to the land of your damn buggy kingdom :rofl:
no need to take sides cause of the topic


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: maggotz]
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maggotz said:
Quote:
sends their illiterate ass kids to our public schools


were you not illiterate when you first went to school?


actually i wasn't
before i went to preschool i knew the alphabet
and english isn't even my first language

so nice try :thumbup:
i can see how there might've been a fault in my post
but in fact
there wasn't :thumbdown:


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: meatcakeman]
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meatcakeman said:
maggotz said:
Quote:
sends their illiterate ass kids to our public schools


were you not illiterate when you first went to school?


actually i wasn't
before i went to preschool i knew the alphabet
and english isn't even my first language

so nice try :thumbup:
i can see how there might've been a fault in my post
but in fact
there wasn't :thumbdown:


guess theres no hispanics in china!

booooooo!!!  :whack:


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: wutang]
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wutang said:
meatcakeman said:
maggotz said:
Quote:
sends their illiterate ass kids to our public schools


were you not illiterate when you first went to school?


actually i wasn't
before i went to preschool i knew the alphabet
and english isn't even my first language

so nice try :thumbup:
i can see how there might've been a fault in my post
but in fact
there wasn't :thumbdown:


guess theres no hispanics in china!

booooooo!!!  :whack:


actually i was born in california
and live in california
im just gonna be going to china soon so i put that as my location
haha


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: Gratos]
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Well, you could report them...



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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: JunkFood]
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wow that guy is a hideous sheep with glasses


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Re: Illegal immigrants, contact INS? [Re: wutang]
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wutang said:
yeah prince of bugs,
go back to the land of your damn buggy kingdom :rofl:
no need to take sides cause of the topic


Also, there is no reason to debate like you are a two year-old.

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