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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid, you seem to have been very anti this idea from your first post, any particular reason for that?


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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: Anno]
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From April 1st to May 1st they added 299

I stand corrected.

Still, that's 10 copy-paste per day which doesn't doesn't take three full time employees.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Still, that's 10 copy-paste per day which doesn't doesn't take three full time employees.


Well, it is obviously that you don't run a website.
Ask Ythan how much work even Shroomery, which receives far less traffic than erowid, requires.


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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: Hanky]
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Diploid, you seem to have been very anti this idea from your first post, any particular reason for that?

I'm not anti-idea. I'm pro-complete-disclosure. I don't think it's a good idea giving money to an organization unless you know what's up.

And at the risk of repeating myself, I'm not saying you shouldn't donate to Erowid. They may well be a worthwhile organization to donate to, but they claim to be non-profit don't publish a financial statement. All I'm saying is that if you ARE going to donate, it behooves you to know where that money is going. That's all.

So, now that I've answered your question, lemme ask you something: do you think it takes three full time employees to post 10 trip reports per day?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: Anno]
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Well, it is obviously that you don't run a website.

Actually, I do.

Ask Ythan how much work even Shroomery, which receives far less traffic than erowid, requires.

Busy is not a function of traffic, that's handled by a machine; busy is a function of how dynamic a site is. Shroomery is constantly being improved and changed. It has many components including IRC, PM, Email, advertisers, forums, lots and lots of user interaction, and so on.

Other than trip reports, Erowid is a mostly-static collection of information.

How busy would Ythan be if Shroomery consisted of the FAQ and 10 trip reports per day?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: Diploid]
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i dont think he can afford to donate to erowid either

seen his coir washing tek?

saves the bucks that one;)

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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
BTW, I looked around on Erowid a little more. Turns out they have three full time employees: the two founders and one more person to help.

Guess what? Since April 10th, they've added an average of two user submitted trip report pages per day, that's it. It takes THREE full time employees to copy/paste and touch up two web pages per day?? I don't think so


Unlike the Shroomery, where anyone can upload a trip report either to the wiki or to the Trip Reports forum...you don't seem to realize that the Erowid employees actually read every single trip report submitted, and decide which ones they think are worth their time. So while we let trip reports like "omg i did 3g of mushrooms and my parents were downstairs i could hear them laughing it was fukking crazy!!!! lol" just stand as they are, Erowid doesn't let everything go up because they want to encourage responsible drug usage...


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: Diploid]
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Quote:
Shroomery is constantly being improved and changed. It has many components including IRC, PM, Email, advertisers, forums, lots and lots of user interaction


So is erowid. It is constantly being improved and changed. See http://www.erowid.org/general/about/about_article5.shtml and
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.erowid.org if you don't believe me.

I mean they explain it nicely on their website what the money is needed for
http://www.erowid.org/general/about/about_faq.shtml#funding

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The upkeep and development of Erowid is a 4+ person job. In fact we could easily use a dozen people working full-time on the site to keep up with the required updates, submissions, responses, and addition of new material. Three full-time employees are an absolute minimum to manage the volunteers who work on the site, keep the review processes for new content moving ahead, and keep the systems functioning. Funding is needed to support these person-hours as well as to buy hardware and software used in the development of the site and to cover other direct expenses such as scanning and copying costs, office supplies, and reference materials. Happily, as of January 1998, the main server has been generously hosted by Hyperreal at no cost. Further, hundreds of hours per year of system administration are donated per year. Erowid also requires additional back-end servers for backups, upkeep, and administrative functions that currently cost us about $3,000 per year.


Knowing which resources go into keeping the Shroomery up I have no reason to doubt them.


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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: Anno]
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Meanwhile, the NYC chapter of NORML is 2 years defunct.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Thats so sad.

NORML here at UW is pretty vibrant. They always have tables out in the Union, and sell shirts and distribute literature here all the time...


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: Madtowntripper]
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You'd think in one of the liberal strongholds of America, a place where thousands march at Marijuana rallies and it's actually pretty easy to smoke in public compared to ten years ago or so...you'd think NORML would be active.

the NYC NORML website hasn't been updated since January of 05.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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So Get On It.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Well I mean


they did reform Marijuana Laws in NYC, no? Isn't it a fine of 100 bucks basically? And you don't even get arrested?

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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: Boom]
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New York still has a long way to go.

Google "Rockefeller Drug Laws" and you'll see that the fight is far, far, far from over.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: Ythan]
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Well this has become a thought-provoking discussion about the necessity of donating to Erowid, but nobody likes my idea about voting for a charity?

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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: Ythan]
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:shrug: No no I like the idea very much so.  As long as MAPS is one of the contenders - I think considering that the Shroomery is already a data hive we don't necessarily need to give money to another such site...I think donating directly to the research being done into psychedelics would be great.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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I disagree.

Sure, the Shroomery is a spot where you can find alot of information about various drugs, as is Erowid. But thats about where the similarity ends...

When I hear about some strange new RC, or some plant I haven't heard of before, I dont do a forum search here to see what it is. I go and see if Erowid has a vault for it.

The two are totally different beasts. The Shroomery is a great reference for Mushrooms and the Psychedelic Experience as well as a community sounding board, but Erowid is like a Physician's Desk Reference for psychedelics.

I would love to see a vote to donate a little bit of $$ to a site that I'm sure we all use, or have used at sometime in the past.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
the NYC NORML website hasn't been updated since January of 05.


NORML isn't all its cracked up to be. The MPP did a lot more during the last polls from what I understand. The Nevada (http://www.regulatemarijuana.org/) and Alaska (http://www.regulatemarijuanainalaska.org/home/) initiatives among others were both pushed by the MPP. I'm pretty sure they're bigger than NORML now (as far as donors go) but I could be wrong. :shrug:

http://www.mpp.org/

http://ny.mpp.org/site/c.grKMIYPGIqE/b.1773517/k.BE7A/Home.htm

http://www.mpp.org/site/c.glKZLeMQIsG/b.1086553/k.E35A/Campaigns.htm


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Re: Erowid Donation. [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Madtowntripper said:
When I hear about some strange new RC, or some plant I haven't heard of before, I dont do a forum search here to see what it is. I go and see if Erowid has a vault for it.

I would love to see a vote to donate a little bit of $$ to a site that I'm sure we all use, or have used at sometime in the past.


I agree completely.

I also like Ythans idea.. maybe we could do an annual charity and every year vote on the organization we want to give to.


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