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Offlineegghead
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improve banner system
    #363412 - 07/30/01 07:33 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The banner system keeps trying to show me a shockwave ad and my browser isn't capable. So I keep getting pop-ups to install it and have to hit cancel. Why doesn't it just check for the plug-in and send an image if no flash/shock is available? It's nice when technology makes things more convenient and not less.

This is strike #2 against banners for me. First it's oversized graphics, now require unsecure plugins. I hope the money is worth it. Frankly, I'd rather pay a membership fee and be done w/ them. The whole pay money to make money thing reeks of bad karma. /down from podium

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Re: improve banner system [Re: egghead]
    #363697 - 07/30/01 06:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I have no problem with the banners being too large (more of a nuisance are lots of oversized sig pics; I just fixed mine), however something should be done about the Shockwave issue.
But in charging membership fees, you realize, you'd be cutting off hundreds of newbies and casual and/or penniless Shroomery users (let's see, I've got... $63 to my name at the moment); to you this might very well be a good thing, but I'd rather put up with the banners :tongue:

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Re: improve banner system [Re: egghead]
    #363718 - 07/30/01 07:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Advertising is a way of life here, unless someone can come up with another solution that allows free access to all and covers our hosting costs then by all means let me know.

Karma, well lets see, the vendors not only benefit from more traffic to their sites, but they help keep this place alive for all of us to benefit from. How is that bad karma??

Just because they make money doesn't make it bad karma. Vendors do benefit this community greatly, without them we wouldn't have this website to begin with, thats NO exagerration. I'm tired of people getting upset at the fact they make money, hey they do a very valuable job for all of us and I appreciate their work.



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Re: improve banner system [Re: Thor]
    #363743 - 07/30/01 08:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not upset that they make money at all. Just that they can come here and pay you for our 'attention' (and that you keep coloring me a belligerant nuisance, ie. "I'm tired of people").

> Karma, well lets see, the vendors not only benefit from more traffic to their sites, but they help
> keep this place alive for all of us to benefit from. How is that bad karma??

Um, you're pimping the 'community' and don't see the negative karmic consequences?

Vendor schmendor.. I know where shroomery came from..

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Where does Erowid's funding come from?
About 50% of our funding has come through a yearly grant from the Pro-Mind Foundation. Another 40% comes from small donations and membership dues. The last 10% is made up of referral fees for sales of books linked to from Erowid, licensing fees from organizations or publications who use Erowid images, and consulting fees for work that Erowid does with other organizations.

Why does Erowid need money to operate?
The upkeep and development of Erowid is a 3+ person job. Funding is primarily needed to support the person hours necessary to continue adding to and maintaining the site. Two full-time employees are an absolute minimum to keep the site relatively current and functioning. Happily, as of January 1998, we have been hosted by Hyperreal who has generously offered to host Erowid at no cost.

Why don't you put up banner ads?
With the number of hits Erowid gets we could probably make money off the site using the standard business model (banners, ads, and sales) but we feel this could negatively impact the integrity and usefulness of the site. As an example, information provided by companies who are selling vitamins, nootropics, legal highs or chemicals is dramatically more likely to be positive than that provided by third-party information sources who do not derive their funding from the sales of those substances. We want to avoid any conflict of interest which would lead to situations where our funding would increase if we change the information we provide. In addition, banner ads slow page loading time and clutter pages with flashing and distracting ads.




> someone can come up with another solution that allows free access to all and covers
> our hosting costs then by all means let me know.

haha.. good one. You're post sounds real open-minded. Banners are here to stay. It was the simple solution.

ugh.. i'm drained.. cya.

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Re: improve banner system [Re: egghead]
    #363768 - 07/30/01 09:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Again, why do you assume I don't have an open mind??? Jeeesus egghead, you sure like to judge me don't you?

I never knew about the support that Erowid gets, sounds pretty cool. I think we are too much of a niche website to be able to get any of that kind of funding. We definatley can't rely on donations.

Again with the vendors, the Vendors have paid lots of extra money to help the shroomery out. Most dontations have come from vendors.

Vendors 'pimping' the community, its a business, whats wrong with that.. Running a business for profit is EVERY business's goal, otherwise why start one? So quit trying to say making money is bad karma, thats just wrong... Besides many of the vendors give a lot back to the community, donations, free spores, etc.....

I'd like to learn more about Erowid's financing, its definately worth looking into.

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