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DMT = meet aliens?
#6804427 - 04/18/07 01:24 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok, first of all you have to embrace the idea that if you were the creator of the universe, you are in control of putting things in places to be found, like easter eggs.
Shrooms, peyote, etc... you get the idea.
I hear a lot about seeing beings while on DMT. I wonder - by chance - if DMT perhaps were to be available outside of earth, and if so - perhaps it's the only way for us to "engage" other life in the universe?
After all, if you created the universe and you know that the people on Earth will never be able to reach the beings on "XXX", then maybe it would be a good idea to plant some kind of chemical that opens the channels for communication between the worlds of life?
Never done DMT myself, or I could say whether or not I agree with this. I offer it up to those with experience and ask them to refine it.
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It's a chemical... like any other, I suppose. The Universe is comprised of similar materials throughout eternity-- I see no reason why what we have here isn't elsewhere...
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: coAsTal]
#6804474 - 04/18/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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In some other universe, sugar could react with their brains in a weird way and make them have similar effects.
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Interesting theory, although in my experiences with true breakthroughs, its not so much meetings "aliens". These "aliens" or "beings" or "elves" (whatever the fuck you want to call them) have an INTIMATE knowledge of us. When I go, I am expected, they know I am about to arrive and they have prepared for that arrival. Many times there are "crowds" gathered. I cant explain the DMT world, I cant explain what happens on the other side of a breakthrough when you are sitting in what can only be described as the "control room of reality", although I am sure no mental picture you will get from that description will come close. Its a place that feels more at home than anything you can imagine, yet a place that you are so intimately familiar with that it can be scary/eerie. And then there is the "music", the "music" everyone I have talked to about their breakthrough can remember...a sound that flows through you and everything, almost carnival like...yet in some ways ancient and in need of reference.
I am rambling now, as I often do when talking about DMT. Its hard to discuss because I know so many things that I cant get out of my head properly to explain to others. I could discuss this for an eternity and not get across what I want to...so instead I usually just hand people the bowl and help them get to that place on their own.
DMT takes you out of this universe...you arent seeing aliens as we think of aliens. You are seeings beings that exist outside of our universe in reality, outside of our life and death.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: coAsTal]
#6804489 - 04/18/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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coAsTal said: It's a chemical... like any other, I suppose.
Unlike any other. Yes it may be just another combination of atoms, but this combination somehow unlocks the consciousness of who we really are from the restraints of this awful human body, and allows you to on small doses see the world and universe as never before, and on large doses and breakthroughs completely leave everything you thought was real behind.
Remember when neo wakes up in the matrix...thats a breakthrough, when you open your eyes surrounded by something completely foreign and you are told "welcome to the real world"
Not just another chemical
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BrainChemicals said: In some other universe, sugar could react with their brains in a weird way and make them have similar effects.
in the infinite other possibilites that exist, I agree that could be very true. Anything is possible in the worlds we cannot see or understand.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
#6804511 - 04/18/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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gopenguins said: Interesting theory, although in my experiences with true breakthroughs, its not so much meetings "aliens". These "aliens" or "beings" or "elves" (whatever the fuck you want to call them) have an INTIMATE knowledge of us. When I go, I am expected, they know I am about to arrive and they have prepared for that arrival. Many times there are "crowds" gathered. I cant explain the DMT world, I cant explain what happens on the other side of a breakthrough when you are sitting in what can only be described as the "control room of reality", although I am sure no mental picture you will get from that description will come close. Its a place that feels more at home than anything you can imagine, yet a place that you are so intimately familiar with that it can be scary/eerie. And then there is the "music", the "music" everyone I have talked to about their breakthrough can remember...a sound that flows through you and everything, almost carnival like...yet in some ways ancient and in need of reference.
I am rambling now, as I often do when talking about DMT. Its hard to discuss because I know so many things that I cant get out of my head properly to explain to others. I could discuss this for an eternity and not get across what I want to...so instead I usually just hand people the bowl and help them get to that place on their own.
DMT takes you out of this universe...you arent seeing aliens as we think of aliens. You are seeings beings that exist outside of our universe in reality, outside of our life and death.
awesome explanation man  I haven't tried DMT yet but your explanation is very similar to some of my Salvia breakthroughs
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I too have always thought of this. Maybe interstellar travel is really only possible through one's mind. Perhaps the saying "Ill see you in the next world" or, "He's in another world" is somewhat based in fact when discussing death or sanity. Ours thoughts are the key to the universe.
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You should read The Spirit Molecule.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: soulcircus]
#6804567 - 04/18/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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What an awesome discussion. I wish I had friends that did so I could sit there and just soak up all kinds of info from their trip reports. Who knows, maybe I'd get balls to do it myself after hearing enough? At this point - I'm way too scared. My curiousity has not yet outweighed my fear...
But please, tell me more. Any input from anyone that's experienced any kind of possible interaction with another conciousness on DMT.
Whether it's aliens, energy forms, spirit world, or dead people - we'll figure that out later...
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: soulcircus]
#6804573 - 04/18/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah man true but... by doing these chemicals you are bridging the gap between the concious and subconcious and the physical and spiritual worlds.
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OneMoreRobot3021 said: You should read The Spirit Molecule.
To get one mans perspective. Dont get me wrong, its a good book, but there are better resources on this site about DMT than that book will ever offer. Well written though, and interesting, especially trip reports in a clinical atmosphere.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
#6804590 - 04/18/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wait a minute, is DMT found in all animals, too? If so, would that suggest that DMT is a requirement for a SPIRIT? (Took a quick look at Spirit Molecule)
Holy shit. This is getting more and more interesting by the minute.
I just may have to drive into the Sonaran desert and grab myself a toad!
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: soulcircus]
#6804592 - 04/18/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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soulcircus said: perosnally i think the place you go on DMT you have expereinced many times before through past lives and possibly every night when you go to sleep, its that familiar, my personal beleifs and from things i have read is that the DMT experience correlates with the astral layers of reality. Being, the next level up from the physical in a way. And the place between physical incarnations.
That all sounds so specific but thats what i beleive.
So there is no need for the chemical for us to go there, and you'll meet yor friends and relatives there when you die anyways(joiing the anestors).
But i can't know that.
It just feels like that's the most likely explantion in my books.
I want to meet you, grab some doses and some DMT and talk for hours. Seriously, I agree with alot of what you said, and I think alot of answers to the DMT world can be found through study of the astral realms and study of eastern religions (specifically hinduism and buddhism). Hoenstly, before DMT I never really knew anything about ancient eastern beliefs...then after my first trip i started doing google image searches for things I has seen and beings I had met...almost everything involved in what I see on a DMT breakthrough has had some connection to ancient eastern beliefs. STRANGE
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
#6804604 - 04/18/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have not tried DMT yet, but I do agree... but I have a feeling I will have "This is TOO real" feelings.
So are the hallucations actually as real visually are dreams, or is it mainly just bright colors and things that sort of look like a body?
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BrainChemicals said: I have not tried DMT yet, but I do agree... but I have a feeling I will have "This is TOO real" feelings.
So are the hallucations actually as real visually are dreams, or is it mainly just bright colors and things that sort of look like a body?
its different...senses work different. You are "fed" information like it is piped into your head. I cant explain it an do it justice. On a small dose there are the bright colors, and the CEV's that sort of resemble other things, on a breakthrough...damn...you are in a place more real than real, more vivid than any lucid dream, past anything you can ever imagine.
Side note, I do believe this place...or existense...or reality...wherever DMT allows you to go...can be accessed through other ways. I believe with meditation you can free you mind from your body. I am not there yet, I dont know if I ever will be, but at the same time I dont believe a drug is the only way to get there...actually my "protector" (a dmt entity i am quite familiar with, almost "friends") has told me he can be reached without the use of any other drug.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: soulcircus]
#6804744 - 04/18/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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so what the fuck are the elves exactly?
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
#6804779 - 04/18/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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gopenguins said: Remember when neo wakes up in the matrix...thats a breakthrough, when you open your eyes surrounded by something completely foreign and you are told "welcome to the real world"
nice way to put it!
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: shizznit]
#6804804 - 04/18/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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shizznit said: so what the fuck are the elves exactly?
elves...ya know, i dont know how else you would describe them, but that word really gives people a false impression.
WTF are they? Hmm well one of them calls himself my "protector"...there are others he has refered to as "watchers"...and others yet which I havent been given a name for and have not interacted with. As to what they really are...hmmm...thats tough, my instinct and feelings lead me to believe they are beings of higher consciousness than us. It seems their forms can shift though, although site and vision, along with all sense work "a bit different" when you arent in this body you are so familiar with.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: shizznit]
#6804819 - 04/18/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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shizznit said: so what the fuck are the elves exactly?
From what they are saying(similar to neath-death and abduction stories) it sounds like these "elves"/"aliens" may in fact be a manifestation of the collection of all souls, or God.
Maybe we, ourselves, become these "things" when we die.
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GrizzyCappy said: Maybe we, ourselves, become these "things" when we die.
At the same time, maybe we are these "beings" at ALL times, and life is just an experience we get to take. Kinda like a ride at the amusement part. I dont know if I really believe that, but its a thought...
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
#6805772 - 04/18/07 07:03 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Every time I read one of these threads, I feel seriously, deeply compelled to find this place...
Clock's ticking...
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: coAsTal]
#6805884 - 04/18/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Graham Hancock touches on this subject in his book "Supernatural" and while you can tell he was greatly influenced by the work of Rick Strassman and "the spirit molecule", he goes a lot deeper than Strassman does. He was first intrigued by the visions he had under the influence of Ayacuasa and relates modern day UFO abductee experiences with the reports of Shamans all over the world. The "coincidences" are great and the whole subject has been very compelling. I think the idea of these "aliens" being the same exact "spirits" and "gods" that people have been reporting for thousands of years isn't really that far fetched.
He also believes that these spirit realms that shamans have been going to for thousands of years might just be the same alternate coexisting dimensions that quantum physics have proven exist but can't quite seem to figure out how to get into.
The idea that these are just "hallucinations" is ridiculous. I think this is a possible theory that western science needs to brush up on. Just because you can't weigh it and test it in this 3rd dimension doesn't mean that its not real.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: hmmat]
#6805985 - 04/18/07 07:54 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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gopenguins, I can totally relate to everything you say bro. You should come over to www.dmt-nexus.com forums sometime.
I'm about to ramble big time so get ready. The Spice does indeed rip you into another dimension. To me it feels like the home I never had. I believe that we are fully evolved to actually be DMT people but something (such as collective oneness with God/Universe/Everything) has to catalyze a 'metamorphosis' if you will, for this to happen...in several of my DMT trips I had visions of cosmic or divine DNA but for about a year I didn't really 'piece it together'...'re-member it' hahaha...obviously it's in our DNA and obviously we're meant to experince this...full time IMO. I don't think we have to die to be 'there'. Otherwise I'd be fucking GONE.
I have had numerous OBEs and NDEs from DMT. One time, whatever makes me 'me', my spirit/soul which I can assure you we all have and is quite real, was transported to an unspeakably awesome 'alien' civilization. Everything there was so beautiful, peaceful, and fucking out of this world. Many of you are probably familiar with Daniel Pinchbeck, his experience (which I'll post in the next reply) damn near mirrored my own (this has happened to me with other people as well...people thousands of miles away having radically similar experiences this far out? I will never believe that anything is a coincidence again.)
To the OP: I agree that everything was put here for us essentially 'by' us...we are God so to say. It's a big game of remembering that...of figuring out that creation is it's own creator, and that everything here serves a purpose to help everything else evolve - and psychedelics have an enormous role in the evolution of human consciousness.
DMT is what humanity has been searching for
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: Grok]
#6806000 - 04/18/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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From Pinchbeck's book 'Breaking open the Head':
I was past three A.M. at the Chan Kah hotel in Palenque. I was with John and Sara, two attendants at the conference. I held the long glass pipe to my lips, watched as the small beige clumps began to release themselves into the air. I inhaled-one, two, three breaths.
The dry smoke was wickedly noxious and bizarre, with an extraterrestial plastic tang. As I had been warned, it was like smoking a shard of lawn furniture. With the next intake, the unfolding, the unveiling, began.
Runes and geometric patterns filled the air, hovered around me, tattooed themselves over the walls, the furniture, the other people in the room. These images were copper- or golden-colored and I had only a few seconds to look at them. In those few seconds I saw an intricate interweave of sacred geometrical motifs-pentagrams, seals and symbols, golden triangles-drawn from every mystical and traditional source.
As I was sucked into the golden funnel it seemed startlingly clear that all of those symbol systems were not just metaphorical codes but actual gateways to literal dimensions outside of our own. John, a video art student from San Francisco and DMT veteran, had described these patterns as the entry point-once you saw them, you were just one breath away. I'm going to get there, I thought to myself, surprised, even shocked. I took in one more deep plasticky breath and held it, and I started to go.
John took the pipe from my hand. I fell back on the mattress as I shot out of myself like a rocket. How to explain the rush, the terrifying and ecstatic trauma, of leaving your body, and your brain, and everything that is you, except some infinitesimal tendril that has no existence in space or duration in time, which is an astral probe spiraling out into the infinite, far beyond the shell you left behind?
I seemed to be projecting forward at an incredible speed. At the periphery of my vision I saw twisting white columns like high-tech swizzle sticks, as if I was following a ladder or lattice up, or in or out or all of the above, to hyperspace. I had the sense of floating through a fractal tapestry, a curving and infolding plane of synthetic, plastic, fantastic whiteness and gleaming colors in endless vibrant hues.
This extradimensional realm I had pitched into was made, I felt certain, of data, of quantum equations, visible shamanic harmonics, and the self-weaving fabric of extradimensional superconsciousness.
It was science fiction made fact. A dimension devoid of natural things, of plants and human need, of our weak and imprecise symbol systems. DMT land was an interweave of tantric mandalas, virtual reality fantasias, stained-glass aureolae; a ten-dimensional Walt Disney World projected into some far-fetched and far-flung future.
There was, in that place, rushing toward me, an overwhelming force of knowledge and sentience. I knew it was impossible that my mind, on any level, had created what I was seeing. This was no mental projection. This was not a structure within the brain that the drug had somehow tapped into. It was a nonhuman reality existing at a deeper level than the physical world.
Suddenly I was rocketing through their cities. Multidimensional, jewel-faceted, hard and immaterial palaces where geometrical and tentacular constructions were being taken apart and reconstructed at such lightning speed that I cannot recall more than a tiny and trivial fraction.
I was taken on a flyby at a tremendous velocity. There were beings in this place. They were humanoid, as far as I can remember, which is unfortunately not far enough. I recall a blue entity (a blue the color of certain celestial Buddhas in Tibetan thangka paintings), gesturing-in my memory I see him with one hand raised, waving at me.
There were fountains and spinning mandalas like lit-up roulette wheels or flowering chakras that seemed organic as well as mechanical. At the center of the city there was a great fountain, like the fountain at the center of a Renaissance town square, where bits of data or perhaps mathematical potentialities or burbling new test tube universes were flowing in rainbow patterns of ultraviolet froth.
This realm was in a state of continual transformation, yet solidified in synthetic matter. Everything I "saw" glittered with an artificial sparkle. There was something impersonal, detached, about my visit. It seemed as if the entities were tranquil, even unemotive, as they went about their work of cosmic supervision.
Everything seemed to be communicating to me a chattering greeting. Although I can't remember sound, I felt there was sound all around me. Weeks later I began to recollect it as high-frequency buzzing, clicks, and trills. As I recall, the beings in the DMT universe were saying to me, over and over again:
"This is it. Now you know. This is it. Now you know."
I began to remember that I had a body, although it was lost to me. I felt myself breathing. Every now and then I would swallow involuntarily. My breathing and my swallowing seemed like a program they were running. "I" seemed to be exactly like a program they were running in their fabulously impersonal cosmological system: As I breathed, they were breathing me.
"Now you know. This is it. Now go back. Now go back. Now you know. This is it. Now get out."
As soon as I recalled my human identity, I was flowing back into this world. I noticed there was something . . . a room containing me. I was lying stretched on a hotel bed. Then the engulfment quickly receded, returned to morphing geometric gold forms that spun down, quickly whirling out of existence as I returned to who I had been.
I was left with little doubt that I had visited what we, for lack of a more accurate word, traditionally call "spiritual reality." The trip supported the idea of a soul existing outside the body, woven into the extradimensional fabric of the cosmos. The cosmos, what McKenna called the "cosmic giggle," is something they were spinning, or we were spinning with them. I had been given more than I ever expected. I had been shown the hard kernel of everything that I wanted to know.
The DMT realm is "next door," behind every billowing curtain, hidden inside the dark matter of consciousness, now playing every night in disguised form in our dreams. It is so close to us, adjacent or perpendicular to this reality. It is a soft shadow, a candle flicker, away.
DMT is Direct Mystical Transmission. Drastic Magical Transport. It is, as McKenna put it, just too much. Once you have had the experience, you are permanently rewired. You can consign existentialism to the scrapheap as you wrap your old ontological constructs around this new pole. Of course, many questions are opened by the jolt, while only a few are answered.
For me, the DMT vision suggests that we are incarnations in some way, sent from that place of boundlessness to this one of sticks and stones and hard knocks, perhaps over the course of lives Ping-Ponging back and forth between the dimensions with certain tasks to perform, or with knowledge to learn. Or perhaps what is happening is more ambiguous and multipurposed than we can language.
The experience called to mind Mircea Eliade's book The Eternal Return, in which he analyzes the consistent belief held by archaic cultures that all places in physical reality have a double in the spirit world. Every temple and city built by human beings actually relates to a "celestial archetype." Eliade writes: "Not only does a model precede terrestrial architecture, but the model is also situated in an ideal (celestial) region of eternity."
The DMT city seemed to be something like a celestial metropolis, a fabulous ideal that our physical cities are a feeble attempt to imitate, utilizing blunt matter rather than bright magic.
For many people, ayahuasca-a slowed-down low-res interface of the DMT flash-seems to convey strong messages from the natural world, of nature as sentient energy and spirit matter, of the need to protect the planet we have been given. Yag whispers that human beings are meant to be gardeners of this reality, journeyers, storytellers and singers, weavers of the sacred. DMT, on the other hand, conveys no overt human or humane message.
It is a doorway you can step through to greet the beings who run the cosmic candy store. Spinning down from the immersive matrices of DMT, I suspected those beings were, in some way or other, superconscious entities who created and maintain our universe.
They made us for some purpose, to play with us or to be us, to tantalize or teach us. But of course this raises only more questions: Who created them? Is that the only other dimension out there? If not, what other dimensions, what other forces, are acting upon us or seeking to communicate with us?
I was left with the notion that creativity is one purpose of existence; we are meant to evolve toward them, become like that, entities beyond the physical plane, and make universes, palaces of thought, gnostic hieroglyphs of our own, as they made this one. Building another universe-it would be the ultimate act of creativity we could imagine. But perhaps it is just one of their parlor tricks.
Beyond all of this, I mulled over the old litany of questions anybody would want to ask the spirits, if they could: Why so much suffering down here? Is this life a test in some way? Why are we, so often, so forsaken? And why is the DMT dimension so synthetic, as if it were built out of mathematics and machine logic, out of language evolved to some ecstatic equation? Are those beings like us, in some way, but perfected to a point where they dream-engineered themselves out of the time-space continuum?
Are they, perhaps, ourselves, evolved to a point of disembodied immortality, having learned to bend and snap the time-space continuum like a twig? Are they ourselves so far in advance of where we are now that they can only communicate with us in orthogonal fashion, the way a three-dimensional being might try to express itself to a two-dimensional dweller of flatland in a language of incomprehensible dots and lines? Am I, are you, just a program running in some alien supercomputer? Is that what this universe is?
We have the DMT receptor. It is a trigger placed in our brain to launch us out there-try to get used to the idea. It is there so we can commune with that (or with it, or with them, whatever)-a trip that will eventually force us to revise our science texts and rewire our way of conceiving reality. Why has this experience been allowed to emerge into the modern consciousness at this precise time?
To put it another way, why am I the first, after untold numbers of dreaming ancestors, to return to this startling source? As technology turns ever-more treacherous and our weather gets weirder, I suspect there is intentionality to it.
DMT flashes the question of free will: Is there any such thing? I still suspect there is-however much spiritual hierarchies are running this show, each of us can choose to create our role in it with the theater props lying around this quaint little planet. There may simultaneously be free will and a knowing of everything that happens and can happen; all kinds of paradoxes may coexist in those quantum interstices, those tiny curled-up dimensions of vibrating superstrings that physicists found, to their own surprise, hidden within this one.
With DMT, once we know it is there, we are left with a choice that is itself a classic test of free will: All of us can choose to go there, push to activate the circuits that give us access to that impacted labyrinth. Or we can avoid it, cut ourselves off, deny its existence out of a completely sensible cowardice.
Personally, I don't think the pure DMT flash is a journey we should take too many times; it feels intuitively threatening. But certainly we are meant to go see for ourselves, at least once or twice. The fact is that the portal exists. Not to explore it would mean denying our heritage of human curiosity.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: Grok]
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cilosyb said: DMT is what humanity has been searching for
I wholeheartedly believe this. Imagine if it was DMT instead of LSD in the 60's and how hard that revolution would have rocked the world.
I talk about the wonders of DMT, but unfortunately I haven't had a chance to do it. I have however done a ton of research on the matter, reading everything from Strassman, Mckenna to Lewis-Williams and hundreds of reports on erowid and related sites. What's extremely interesting to me about this whole thing is what got me started on the whole subject is an experience I had with Salvia a few months back. At the time I was only vaguely familiar with DMT and all I knew about it was it was released in your brain when you died and nothing more. While I didn't breakthrough on Salvia, somehow I heard, or somehow I knew that DMT was a special thing. When I came down i started talking about how DMT is the chemical that takes us to and from this plane of existence and can bring us into the spirit world, which is the real existence. You can only imagine how shocked I was to discover that many people have this same theory. The more research I did on the subject, the more sense it started to make.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: hmmat]
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I wholeheartedly believe this. Imagine if it was DMT instead of LSD in the 60's and how hard that revolution would have rocked the world.
Heh, it's part of the 'master plan' - I believe that there will be another revolution of very similar nature that will blow the 60's out of the water and DMT will be one of the focal points.
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When I came down i started talking about how DMT is the chemical that takes us to and from this plane of existence and can bring us into the spirit world, which is the real existence. You can only imagine how shocked I was to discover that many people have this same theory. The more research I did on the subject, the more sense it started to make.
Yeah, it made so much sense to me one night that I decided to quit school and sell everything I have and start turning people on. Then I got arrested for manf./distr. of DMT (not what happened, but I got hit with possession of DMT, psilocybin, and mescaline). Turned in by my own family no less who thought I'd gone looney cartooney. I get sentanced tomorrow. Sadly the powers at be have a great deal of fear about this stuff.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: Grok]
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cilosyb said: Yeah, it made so much sense to me one night that I decided to quit school and sell everything I have and start turning people on. Then I got arrested for manf./distr. of DMT (not what happened, but I got hit with possession of DMT, psilocybin, and mescaline). Turned in by my own family no less who thought I'd gone looney cartooney. I get sentanced tomorrow. Sadly the powers at be have a great deal of fear about this stuff.
that really sickening. I can't believe people are this deaf, dumb and blind to everything. It would be nice if you could argue the fact that DMT shouldn't be a controlled substance considering its in all of our fucking brains. Good luck anyhow man.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: hmmat]
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It is totally fucking disgusting how alcohol and tobacco, the drugs that are WAY more destructive, are legal and kill thousands and thousands every year, but benign drugs like DMT put people in jail for years.
Godspeed, man. Good luck.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: hmmat]
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cilosyb said: Yeah, it made so much sense to me one night that I decided to quit school and sell everything I have and start turning people on. Then I got arrested for manf./distr. of DMT (not what happened, but I got hit with possession of DMT, psilocybin, and mescaline). Turned in by my own family no less who thought I'd gone looney cartooney. I get sentanced tomorrow. Sadly the powers at be have a great deal of fear about this stuff.
that really sickening. I can't believe people are this deaf, dumb and blind to everything. It would be nice if you could argue the fact that DMT shouldn't be a controlled substance considering its in all of our fucking brains. Good luck anyhow man.
I absolutely DO believe that they are this deaf, dumb, and blind.
Hostile, ignorant-fuck sheeple are the reason that our world is 1000 years behind where we might have been were evolution of intellect ALLOWED to take it's course.
cilosyb-- my thoughts are with you brother, and I hope for your quick escape from the grubby paws of the unenlightened...
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: coAsTal]
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So the universe you go to in DMT really feels REAL and 3 dimensional?
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yeah its not like other drugs. First time i did it made me feel like other drugs Ive done are working off this reality while DMT brings you to a completely separate one that feel more real than the present
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I feel the same way...i like how you put that
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
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Yes. It's definitely more real than real.
You come back and everything that's "really" here, seems fake. It's teh uber reality.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: Brewmaster]
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Brewmaster said: You come back and everything that's "really" here, seems fake.
Ive had to argue with friends who have "come back" and they think they came back to a dream world beecause it isnt nearly as real as the experience they just had. Ive felt the same. I wish there was away to put into words all the emotions involved.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
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Let me ask a simple question here... if the goal is to hit it as much as possible in as short a time as possible, why isn't a bong used instead of a pipe? Even a dry one-- you could fill your lungs with 3 pipe-hits at one time...but in all my reading, I don't think I've ever seen mention of this...
Why?
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: coAsTal]
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coAsTal said: Let me ask a simple question here... if the goal is to hit it as much as possible in as short a time as possible, why isn't a bong used instead of a pipe? Even a dry one-- you could fill your lungs with 3 pipe-hits at one time...but in all my reading, I don't think I've ever seen mention of this...
Why?
You could use a bong, but even mixed with weed the smoke is very harsh and can be difficult to hold. A pipe works better for me because I can avoid coughing out the smoke.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
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Yeah, the taste is worse than crack rock and it not just the taste, it's the weird feel of the smoke that you have to contend with as well. I don't think I would be physically able to hit a binger of deemsters.

My glass working buddy is making me one of these, only it's going to be a sweet, blown glass piece. It's going to have a big glass marble on it with the DMT molecule inside.
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Cool-- thanks guys
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: coAsTal]
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I feel the same sentiment about DMT - it's like waking up from a dream, this reality being the dream (or nightmare depending on how you look at it). The DMT world has a very timeless quality to it...it's like we've forgotten that that's where we came from, from a place of total wonder and boundlessness. I have a theory that we forgot on purpose, just so we could awaken and remember how awesome everything really is.
IMO the DMT world is ultmiately where 'spiritual awakening' leads.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: Grok]
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cilosyb said: ...it's like we've forgotten that that's where we came from, from a place of total wonder and boundlessness. I have a theory that we forgot on purpose, just so we could awaken and remember how awesome everything really is.
I do agree that the DMT world may be where we "came from", or where our "souls" (i hate that world because of the religious ties, but its appropriate here I guess) came from before entering this human body.
I dont know what happens between there, and being born here that takes away our ability to remember anything before our human life. However, I cant say this enough, its amazing how familiar the DMT world is. When you breakthrough, and you are at that place I described as the "reality control center" you are flooded with memories and feelings that in one way seem so foreign, but at the same time feel so intimately close and belonging to you.
I think this life serves a purpose. When you breakthrough on DMT and you speak with those entities that are there, they seem to know of your existense as a human, similar to your friends here in this reality know of your journeys and vacations, and want to know how things went. Maybe life is just some ride at some amusement park in another reality. Maybe DMT was placed here so we could find are way back and unite 2 worlds? Maybe we are a science experiment? Maybe those us that get sent to this human world are specifically chosen for a task here in this world? There seem to be infinite maybes, and the further "down the rabbit hole" you go, the more "maybes" there seem to be...however, i do believe there is only ONE answer, and I have yet to figure out how to get that answer (its 42 right? lol).
I do know this, the entities I have spoken too on DMT breakthroughs dont seem to care too much about our day to day lives in this world, and it doesnt seem as if our actions in this reality effect them. And while they dont care much about the goings on of this world, they do seem to very much care about us individually (or atleast thats how I am treated).
It really is interesting, I wish there was more worldwide research into such things. However, the foundations of humanity WOULD be completely shaken if the majority of people knew what I knew, and experienced what I have experienced. Control of people in this world would cease to exist.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
#6808508 - 04/19/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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How often do you do this? Is it something that you just hit every few hours? (I'm talking after you are "prepared" with experience of what to expect) I wouldn't think that you do it all day long...it would probably be too much...
It seems like it's clearly draining... but is there a strong compulsion to do it a lot? I'm not getting the impression there is any "abusive" behavior with this...
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: coAsTal]
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Hostile, ignorant-fuck sheeple are the reason that our world is 1000 years behind where we might have been were evolution of intellect ALLOWED to take it's course.
Thanks for putting my frustrations into words for me! also very eloquently if i might say so.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: coAsTal]
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I haven't used any DMT for about 6 months. When I would it would usually be a few days a week, usually about 1-3 trips. It only lasts about 5-10 minutes.
There's no addicitve potential. It's very satisfying and one breakthrough will leave you with plenty to ponder.
IMO freebase DMT will only let you take in so much. You can experience it but it's very difficult to remember in detail. I was 'informed' that I should begin using Ayahuacsa instead during several trips, which turned out to be exactly what I was looking for.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: coAsTal]
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coAsTal said: How often do you do this? Is it something that you just hit every few hours? (I'm talking after you are "prepared" with experience of what to expect) I wouldn't think that you do it all day long...it would probably be too much...
It seems like it's clearly draining... but is there a strong compulsion to do it a lot? I'm not getting the impression there is any "abusive" behavior with this...
I probably use DMT once every few months, if that. There is no need for more, and I dont see how people can abuse DMT, although I have seen it happen. Those that I have seen abuse DMT have also never had real breakthrough experiences from the stories the tell.
One of my craziest DMT trips came at a time where I did DMT a few times in a short span of days. I think the report is around here somewhere, as it was the freakiest thing ever. If you have read my posts I have talked about my "protector" and the "Watchers"...well one DMT trip I hit breakthrough, and freaked out. Instantly I was sober and sitting back in my upstairs room. Quite shaken from instantly dropping from the DMT world back to sober, I got up to go get my wife to help me get my thoughts out...as I walked to the top of my steps I looked down and my "protector" and several "watchers" were at the bottom of my steps. Not in 3D but somewhat overlayed on this reality in the static grid (If you dont know what static grid im talking about, thats another story). My protector then spoke to me telepathicly and basicially told me not to come back until I was ready, I asked when that was, and I was told I would know.
If you arent supposed to be there, it seems they wont let you come.
It is draining both mentally and physically, but after an hour or so you could potentially be ready to go again. Not my cup of tea, I like to take alot of time to meditate upon the things I have seen and learned. I like to hold onto the experience, as there always seems to be deeper meaning that I will initially miss due to the unmatched amazingness of the experience.
My closest tripping buddies are pretty much the same. And there are many people I have done it with, that have had their views of a cozy little life shattered, and wish to never touch it again. No matter how enjoyable the experience, no matter how bad I want to go back, its not something I just jump into.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
#6808580 - 04/19/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I love this forum.
And I love you guys.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: coAsTal]
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One of the best threads I've ever seen on this forum!  
I've never tried DMT, yet still some of the experiences you guys are describing sound familiar, like a distant feeling of deja-vu. Even before reading of your experiences, I've had dreams and experienced thoughts that correlate very specifically to many of the DMT experience descriptions here.
I'm not sure why, but I feel that DMT will (soon?) be a big thing.
Problem is, now I'm left wanting to try it for myself, and I can't get it.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: TurricaN]
#6810850 - 04/19/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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"I have a theory that we forgot on purpose, just so we could awaken and remember how awesome everything really is."
Wow. You say that, in addition to this weird feeling I have to try it. Add to that my signature line... Oh yeah.
I think everything I've ever felt was right I can finally prove with this. It's all making so much sense. I doubt it will be long before I take my chance to meet DMT.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
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dedjam said: Interesting theory, although in my experiences with true breakthroughs, its not so much meetings "aliens". These "aliens" or "beings" or "elves" (whatever the fuck you want to call them) have an INTIMATE knowledge of us. When I go, I am expected, they know I am about to arrive and they have prepared for that arrival. Many times there are "crowds" gathered. I cant explain the DMT world, I cant explain what happens on the other side of a breakthrough when you are sitting in what can only be described as the "control room of reality", although I am sure no mental picture you will get from that description will come close. Its a place that feels more at home than anything you can imagine, yet a place that you are so intimately familiar with that it can be scary/eerie. And then there is the "music", the "music" everyone I have talked to about their breakthrough can remember...a sound that flows through you and everything, almost carnival like...yet in some ways ancient and in need of reference.
I am rambling now, as I often do when talking about DMT. Its hard to discuss because I know so many things that I cant get out of my head properly to explain to others. I could discuss this for an eternity and not get across what I want to...so instead I usually just hand people the bowl and help them get to that place on their own.
DMT takes you out of this universe...you arent seeing aliens as we think of aliens. You are seeings beings that exist outside of our universe in reality, outside of our life and death.
Dam... when I read this I get all excited. I cant wait for the day I experience this.
I've smoked salvia several times and my experiences are always crazy. But I want to breakthrough past this reality/dimension, I want to tune into this DMT world. I want to meet with these beings!
I read your post and I feel like I know what your talking about like Ive been there before.
Do you have a blog with more of these story's?
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hello, sorry this is my first post here. I actually want to dive into a question of my own but I thought it'd be a bit rude if I didn't have a little chat first 
There is a man, I can't remember his name but he paints/draws these amazing beings made of fractals that were apparently beings that constantly watch us, however these beings can't get close because the vibrations we give off as people alone are enough to destroy them. If I find the paintings I will post them but a lot of them looked like common animals (I specifically remember an owl) made of fractals. I've never done DMT and back when I heard about this (a good few years now)
I hadn't heard of DMT back then either but when I read a trip report in which someone recalled their cat suddenly becoming engulfed in fractals and so on, the drawing that the tripper had drawn of how he remembers his cat was scarily similar to the ones I remember this man had drawn. I don't know if he had drawn these under the influence of drugs or if he had claimed to be psychic.
I think the point I'm trying to get at is that there are some outstanding similarities between what people experience on DMT and other drugs and what psychics or people who have bizzare events happen to them also experience. I've heard also about DMT that there is a real 'sense' of aliens even if they are not seen. A lot of people say that it feels like there are aliens watching them and this seems to be a really common theme in DMT trips. I'd love to know more about it but I'm a novice to psychedelics and I think DMT would blow my head off at this point.
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StarrGazer said: hello, sorry this is my first post here. I actually want to dive into a question of my own but I thought it'd be a bit rude if I didn't have a little chat first 
There is a man, I can't remember his name but he paints/draws these amazing beings made of fractals that were apparently beings that constantly watch us, however these beings can't get close because the vibrations we give off as people alone are enough to destroy them. If I find the paintings I will post them but a lot of them looked like common animals (I specifically remember an owl) made of fractals. I've never done DMT and back when I heard about this (a good few years now)
I hadn't heard of DMT back then either but when I read a trip report in which someone recalled their cat suddenly becoming engulfed in fractals and so on, the drawing that the tripper had drawn of how he remembers his cat was scarily similar to the ones I remember this man had drawn. I don't know if he had drawn these under the influence of drugs or if he had claimed to be psychic.
I think the point I'm trying to get at is that there are some outstanding similarities between what people experience on DMT and other drugs and what psychics or people who have bizzare events happen to them also experience. I've heard also about DMT that there is a real 'sense' of aliens even if they are not seen. A lot of people say that it feels like there are aliens watching them and this seems to be a really common theme in DMT trips. I'd love to know more about it but I'm a novice to psychedelics and I think DMT would blow my head off at this point.
Yo I would love to hear more about this topic and see those pics! If you ever find them please post them on this thread right away!
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Wow it all sounds fascinating. I really want to try DMT. I have been reading a lot about it over the past while, and I watched "The Spirit Molecule", which was really fascinating. The traditional Aya components are available from my regular online headshop but I am apprehensive about trying it. Partly the diet restrictions and also partly would I be able to handle it.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: FruitBowl]
#13862147 - 01/27/11 07:16 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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In each of the 3 times I have broken through (eyes wide open, not in even what can remotely be called the same place as before inhaling) it has seemed to be overall the same sort of place. Each time a STRONG alien presence was felt, as if being watched. Each time the feeling of some hyperdimensional star ship.
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FruitBowl
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: F1234K]
#13862452 - 01/27/11 08:01 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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I wonder what is going on in the left temporoparietal junction when on DMT? Interesting thing about that part of the brain:
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In September 2006, it was reported in Nature[2] that Shahar Arzy and colleagues of the University Hospital, Geneva, Switzerland, had unexpectedly reproduced an effect strongly reminiscent of the doppelgänger phenomenon via the electromagnetic stimulation of a patient's brain. They applied focal electrical stimulation to a patient's left temporoparietal junction while she lay flat on a bed. The patient immediately felt the presence of another person in her "extrapersonal space." Other than epilepsy, for which the patient was being treated, she was psychologically fit.
The other person was described as young, of indeterminate sex, silent, motionless, and with a body posture identical to her own. The other person was located exactly behind her, almost touching and therefore within the bed on which the patient was lying.
A second electrical stimulation was applied with slightly more intensity, while the patient was sitting up with her arms folded. This time the patient felt the presence of a "man" who had his arms wrapped around her. She described the sensation as highly unpleasant and electrical stimulation was stopped.
Finally, when the patient was seated, electrical stimulation was applied while the patient was asked to perform a language test with a set of flash cards. On this occasion the patient reported the presence of a sitting person, displaced behind her and to the right. She said the presence was attempting to interfere with the test: "He wants to take the card; he doesn’t want me to read." Again, the effect was disturbing and electrical stimulation was ceased.
Similar effects were found for different positions and postures when electrical stimulation exceeded 10 mA, at the left temporoparietal junction.
Arzy and his colleagues suggest that the left temporoparietal junction of the brain evokes the sensation of self image—body location, position, posture etc. When the left temporoparietal junction is disturbed, the sensation of self-attribution is broken and may be replaced by the sensation of a foreign presence or copy of oneself displaced nearby. This copy mirrors the real person's body posture, location and position. Arzy and his colleagues suggest that the phenomenon they created is seen in certain mental illnesses, such as schizophrenia, particularly when accompanied by paranoia, delusions of persecution and of alien control. Nevertheless, the effects reported are highly reminiscent of the doppelgänger phenomenon.[3] Accordingly, some reports of doppelgängers may well be due to failure of the left temporoparietal junction.
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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: FruitBowl]
#13862643 - 01/27/11 08:40 PM (13 years, 3 days ago) |
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some call them aliens some call them angels, demons, djinn, etc.. when you breakthrough on DMT you definately communicate with something whatever that may be.
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StarrGazer said: hello, sorry this is my first post here. I actually want to dive into a question of my own but I thought it'd be a bit rude if I didn't have a little chat first 
There is a man, I can't remember his name but he paints/draws these amazing beings made of fractals that were apparently beings that constantly watch us, however these beings can't get close because the vibrations we give off as people alone are enough to destroy them. If I find the paintings I will post them but a lot of them looked like common animals (I specifically remember an owl) made of fractals. I've never done DMT and back when I heard about this (a good few years now)
I hadn't heard of DMT back then either but when I read a trip report in which someone recalled their cat suddenly becoming engulfed in fractals and so on, the drawing that the tripper had drawn of how he remembers his cat was scarily similar to the ones I remember this man had drawn. I don't know if he had drawn these under the influence of drugs or if he had claimed to be psychic.
I think the point I'm trying to get at is that there are some outstanding similarities between what people experience on DMT and other drugs and what psychics or people who have bizzare events happen to them also experience. I've heard also about DMT that there is a real 'sense' of aliens even if they are not seen. A lot of people say that it feels like there are aliens watching them and this seems to be a really common theme in DMT trips. I'd love to know more about it but I'm a novice to psychedelics and I think DMT would blow my head off at this point.
I know this is a late response but today i did DMT for the third time, the first time i recall a similar feeling as the one i had today but i did not let it consume me, i didnt let go. this time i did.
i went to a place where it was like a trillion star hotel, shiny everything everything perfect in design with a BUNCH of cat-like attractive looking humans, (could tell they were feminine) with tails and nice bodies were all chilling around i went thru this place really quickly and they were giving me things such as a platter like what you receieve a nice meal in with the lid still on, and they were like flying into me sorta of thing as i was going thru it, they all were REALLY nice to look at and i recall the beginning of the trip to be the SAME as the first time i did dmt, but i didnt let it consume me fully but this time i did it was dope i heard frequencies i felt so conecnted, they were so kind people have encountered exactly what i encountered. it wasnt someting i found in myself it was another place, with other entities they were perfectly graphically-ish 3D humanoid type things.
I hope to revisit them!
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