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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Cubieman420]
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http://www.spiritplants.com/articles/DMT.htm


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As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know.

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Xochitl]
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Edited by Xibalba (09/29/05 11:38 PM)

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Twirling]
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What else produces a buzzing/ringing noise, bliss, meeting other enties, observing things from above? Yup, DMT. I highly recommend anyone interested in this to read Rick Strassman's book. I really don't know for sure, but there is plenty of evidence that DMT plays a role in our birth and death. 


Lack of oxygen to our brain. Jet fighter pilots experience NDE's in extreme G force experiments(Download Penn&Teller - Bullshit - Ouija Boards / Near Death Experiences if you want to see pilots having such experiences :smile:). The release of DMT could be an explanation, but without research I think the lack of oxygen is still the best explanation. 

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Annom]
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That is certainly a possibilty. I really don't know. Either way it's very interesting. I always believe in the pragmatic approach, try every route and see which one works. Unfortuntly, I was unable to download the video, I have a VERY slow internet connection.


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The very nature of experience is ineffable; it transcends cognitive thought and intellectualized analysis. To be without experience is to be without an emotional knowledge of what the experience translates into. The desire for the understanding of what life is made of is the motivation that drives us all. Without it, in fear of the experiences what life can hold is among the greatest contradictions; to live in fear of death while not being alive.


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Twirling]
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Or perhaps lack of oxygen --> release of DMT

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: HillBilly777]
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thats more along the lines of what i was thinking. is breathing a required process for MAO production and the destruction of DMT?


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Twirling]
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You guys will believe anything. Strassman makes the CLAIM that the period of development where the pineal gland expands in a fetus is when DMT is produced.
Since in his book he provides NO FACTUAL OR SCIENTIFIC evidence that even demonstrates that the pineal gland itself is linked to endo-DMT production, its a huge stretch to then claim as fact some of the ideas or possibilities he discusses about death and other natural states. He also concedes that no schizophrenic, no fetus, no dying person has ever been found who had a higher level of endo-DMT.
He is just assuming that endo-DMT or one of shulgin's other endo psychoactives could be at play, bt he also concedes that the DMT experience his volunteers have experiences lacks any real insight, unlike natural spiritual states. He himself has never even tried DMT.
Just because someone makes a wild claim doesnt in any way make it fact. The idea that natural endo-psychoactives may influence states like schizophrenia are not new, but since these havent even been proven, its a huge stretch to try and bring every unknown, or unexplainable experience in human life under the umbrella of DMT reactions.


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Zen Peddler]
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Twirling said:
Whether or not this is scientific fact, I don't know.


Twirling said:
I really don't know for sure, but there is plenty of evidence that DMT plays a role in our birth and death.


Twirling said:
That is certainly a possibilty. I really don't know. Either way it's very interesting. I always believe in the pragmatic approach, try every route and see which one works.


I didn't claim that any of these things are necessarily true, but there is a lot of information that points towards the possibilities of DMT playing a role in birth & death.


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The very nature of experience is ineffable; it transcends cognitive thought and intellectualized analysis. To be without experience is to be without an emotional knowledge of what the experience translates into. The desire for the understanding of what life is made of is the motivation that drives us all. Without it, in fear of the experiences what life can hold is among the greatest contradictions; to live in fear of death while not being alive.


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Twirling]
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I agree with bluemeanie.

What information points towards DMT playing a role in birth&death? It's a hypothesis and we have no scientific information to discuss this hypothesis.

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Annom]
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Right, I never said it was anymore than a hypothesis. What I said was there is enough information that it's a possibility. All I was doing was bringing the idea to the thread.


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The very nature of experience is ineffable; it transcends cognitive thought and intellectualized analysis. To be without experience is to be without an emotional knowledge of what the experience translates into. The desire for the understanding of what life is made of is the motivation that drives us all. Without it, in fear of the experiences what life can hold is among the greatest contradictions; to live in fear of death while not being alive.


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