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DMT in fetuses.
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"DMT is the chemical released at about 4 months to trigger the first thought processes in fetuses."

Anyone know how legit this claim is?

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: HidingInPlainSight] * 1
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yep its right i remember it to be my first entheoginic exp.


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Psychoslut]
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crazyness
i remember reading something about that too
although i thought it was shorter than 4 months
i read it a long time ago though so i could totally be wrong


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Help on the Way]
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It's supposed to be 49 days, which is when the pineal gland first appears, as well as the sex organs. It's also considered to be by Buddhists when the soul enters the body. Whether or not this is scientific fact, I don't know.


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The very nature of experience is ineffable; it transcends cognitive thought and intellectualized analysis. To be without experience is to be without an emotional knowledge of what the experience translates into. The desire for the understanding of what life is made of is the motivation that drives us all. Without it, in fear of the experiences what life can hold is among the greatest contradictions; to live in fear of death while not being alive.


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
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where is that quote from? I'd like to read up on that. Thanks!


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As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know.

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Xochitl]
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"the child doth quicken within the womb..."
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moving, grasping, dreaming, sucking, thinking oceanic thoughts in warm womb waters, waiting until ripeness of development and fullness of time gives impetus to the struggle to be born... oh, hello...
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womb = matrix
~
indo-european word-cluster from "MTR" root:
matter
mother
mutter
mater
meter
matya
maya
material
matriculate
matrix
...
there may be many more words that belong to this cluster...
anybody got an OED???
...
robert crumb's zap comix "stoned":
"just like bein' born stoned"


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: gnrm23]
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sweet sufferin' ...
it's just amazin' whatcha can find on the ol' internet...
www.crumbmuseum.com/hdst3.html
heh...


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Xochitl]
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Read DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Rick Strassman, M.D.
ISBN 0-89281-927-8

It also has some cool cover art by Alex Grey.

Strassman believes that DMT facilitates the moving of the soul into and out of the body which corresponds with the 49th day of life, out of body, near-death, and death.


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: psyphon]
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wow, the body is amazin


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: ShamanSean]
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thats the coolest thing I have ever heard...

Is this really scientificly proven? (or proven to a resonable extent, as anything can be)

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: domite]
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The only source that I can find is the book: "DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Rick Strassman, M.D." or sites referring to the book.

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Annom]
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huh... well ill keep my ears out for any other mention of it..

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: domite]
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I have heard that DMT is released into your body when you die, this could explain some of the out-of-body experiences with people that have been revived at a hospital.


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Cubieman420]
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Near death experiences and out-of-body experiences are probably caused by a lack of oxygen. I also heard DMT does something when you die, but I can't find any scientific research....

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/g2699/0005/2699000565/p1/article.jhtml?term=near-death+experiences
Near-death experience
Author/s: Timothy Moore

Tales of near-death experiences (NDEs) are not unusual. Out-of-body experiences, the sensation of moving through a tunnel toward a light, the review of the events of one's life, and pleasurable glimpses of other worlds are relatively consistent features of people's "near death" reports. In fact, research suggests that almost one fifth of Americans report having almost died, and a large proportion of them have recounted experiences like the ones mentioned above. The reported events are very vivid, seem completely real, and can sometimes transform people's lives. How to explain these experiences is the subject of debate. Throughout history people have interpreted them as journeys toward the divine. The out-of-body experience was the soul or spirit leaving the body, the tunnel was the passageway, the life review was the time of judgement, and the light at the end of the tunnel was heaven (or the equivalent).

It appears that, rather than any spiritual journey or other world phenomenon, NDEs may be best understood by examining human physiology, neurochemistry, and psychology. At this time, there is strong research evidence to indicate that many of the symptoms of NDEs may be caused by anoxia, or a lack of oxygen to the brain. In the human visual system, for example, neurons (brain cells) deprived of oxygen will start to fire out of control. Since the majority of the cells in our visual cortex (the portion of the brain where visual information is processed) respond to stimulation in the central visual field, the result is a white spot in the center with fewer cells firing out of control in the periphery. As oxygen deprivation continues, the white spot grows and the sensation of moving through a tunnel toward a white light is produced. Similarly, it is possible that the life review process is a result of depriving the temporal lobes of oxygen. When the temporal lobes of the brain, an area largely involved in memory production, are deprived of oxygen, neurotransmitters are released and massive electrical activity ensues. In laboratory research, when people's temporal lobes are stimulated with electrodes, many subjects experience the reliving of memories, out of body experiences, and even the sensation of moving through a tunnel toward a light. Oxygen deprivation can also affect the limbic system, which contains the seat of emotions in the brain. The intensely pleasurable feelings of love and well-being that accompany moving toward the light may therefore be a consequence of increased activity in the limbic system.

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Annom]
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interesting


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Cubieman420]
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this is just assumption, but what if since your body is about to die, MAO's stop working, because there is so much else going on, your brain stops trying to break down DMT, you go into a trip, and we all know that when your tripping, a second can last FOREVER.

It would make so much sense too, because in DMT trips, people experience aliens telling them to come along, or that they are not ready, feelings of going to new places, but not quite getting there. Maybe we weird the aliens out and make them think that we're dieing, so they wanna take us somewhere, but then they're like, "You're not ready." Think they might be angry? Mebbe this is somehow how we transition from our state of conciousness to another, although i have not done DMT, from what i've herd of those who have, you ARE somewhere else


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: entiformatie]
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In DMT: The Spirt Molecule Rick Strassman discusses the simularities between DMT and alien obduction stories. They are nearly identical to each, and pretty much impossible to tell apart. It seems like NDE are the same way.

I just did a search and came up with this:

"According to Moody, the typical NDE includes a buzzing or ringing noise, a sense of blissful peace, a feeling of floating out of one?s body and observing it from above, moving through a tunnel into a bright light, meeting dead people, saints, Christ, angels, etc.; seeing one?s life pass before one?s eyes; and finding it all so wonderful that one doesn?t want to return to one?s body." (http://skepdic.com/nde.html)

What else produces a buzzing/ringing noise, bliss, meeting other enties, observing things from above? Yup, DMT. I highly recommend anyone interested in this to read Rick Strassman's book. I really don't know for sure, but there is plenty of evidence that DMT plays a role in our birth and death.


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The very nature of experience is ineffable; it transcends cognitive thought and intellectualized analysis. To be without experience is to be without an emotional knowledge of what the experience translates into. The desire for the understanding of what life is made of is the motivation that drives us all. Without it, in fear of the experiences what life can hold is among the greatest contradictions; to live in fear of death while not being alive.


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Twirling]
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whoa!

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: whole9]
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I really would like to try DMT, generally I don't like being blasted into tripping seconds after I take the drug (salvia) however DMT just seems so interesting from what I've have read. Does BBB or any other online vendor sell the plants that you can extract from?


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Cubieman420]
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yes, but you're going to have to do some research to do it well. Somebody here has a link in their sig, just do a search and you'll probably find it. http://dmt.lycaeum.org/ is a good source of info. My chemistry is very poor, so I haven't tried it.


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The very nature of experience is ineffable; it transcends cognitive thought and intellectualized analysis. To be without experience is to be without an emotional knowledge of what the experience translates into. The desire for the understanding of what life is made of is the motivation that drives us all. Without it, in fear of the experiences what life can hold is among the greatest contradictions; to live in fear of death while not being alive.


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Cubieman420]
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http://www.spiritplants.com/articles/DMT.htm


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Xochitl]
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Edited by Xibalba (09/29/05 11:38 PM)

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Twirling]
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Quote:
What else produces a buzzing/ringing noise, bliss, meeting other enties, observing things from above? Yup, DMT. I highly recommend anyone interested in this to read Rick Strassman's book. I really don't know for sure, but there is plenty of evidence that DMT plays a role in our birth and death. 


Lack of oxygen to our brain. Jet fighter pilots experience NDE's in extreme G force experiments(Download Penn&Teller - Bullshit - Ouija Boards / Near Death Experiences if you want to see pilots having such experiences :smile:). The release of DMT could be an explanation, but without research I think the lack of oxygen is still the best explanation. 

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Annom]
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That is certainly a possibilty. I really don't know. Either way it's very interesting. I always believe in the pragmatic approach, try every route and see which one works. Unfortuntly, I was unable to download the video, I have a VERY slow internet connection.


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The very nature of experience is ineffable; it transcends cognitive thought and intellectualized analysis. To be without experience is to be without an emotional knowledge of what the experience translates into. The desire for the understanding of what life is made of is the motivation that drives us all. Without it, in fear of the experiences what life can hold is among the greatest contradictions; to live in fear of death while not being alive.


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Twirling]
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Or perhaps lack of oxygen --> release of DMT

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: HillBilly777]
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thats more along the lines of what i was thinking. is breathing a required process for MAO production and the destruction of DMT?


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Twirling]
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You guys will believe anything. Strassman makes the CLAIM that the period of development where the pineal gland expands in a fetus is when DMT is produced.
Since in his book he provides NO FACTUAL OR SCIENTIFIC evidence that even demonstrates that the pineal gland itself is linked to endo-DMT production, its a huge stretch to then claim as fact some of the ideas or possibilities he discusses about death and other natural states. He also concedes that no schizophrenic, no fetus, no dying person has ever been found who had a higher level of endo-DMT.
He is just assuming that endo-DMT or one of shulgin's other endo psychoactives could be at play, bt he also concedes that the DMT experience his volunteers have experiences lacks any real insight, unlike natural spiritual states. He himself has never even tried DMT.
Just because someone makes a wild claim doesnt in any way make it fact. The idea that natural endo-psychoactives may influence states like schizophrenia are not new, but since these havent even been proven, its a huge stretch to try and bring every unknown, or unexplainable experience in human life under the umbrella of DMT reactions.


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Edited by Zen Peddler (09/19/03 07:56 AM)

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Zen Peddler]
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Twirling said:
Whether or not this is scientific fact, I don't know.


Twirling said:
I really don't know for sure, but there is plenty of evidence that DMT plays a role in our birth and death.


Twirling said:
That is certainly a possibilty. I really don't know. Either way it's very interesting. I always believe in the pragmatic approach, try every route and see which one works.


I didn't claim that any of these things are necessarily true, but there is a lot of information that points towards the possibilities of DMT playing a role in birth & death.


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The very nature of experience is ineffable; it transcends cognitive thought and intellectualized analysis. To be without experience is to be without an emotional knowledge of what the experience translates into. The desire for the understanding of what life is made of is the motivation that drives us all. Without it, in fear of the experiences what life can hold is among the greatest contradictions; to live in fear of death while not being alive.


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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Twirling]
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I agree with bluemeanie.

What information points towards DMT playing a role in birth&death? It's a hypothesis and we have no scientific information to discuss this hypothesis.

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Re: DMT in fetuses. [Re: Annom]
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Right, I never said it was anymore than a hypothesis. What I said was there is enough information that it's a possibility. All I was doing was bringing the idea to the thread.


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