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Mushy_face
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DMT :)
#5353894 - 03/01/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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A friend of mine finally came across some dmt in a psy-trance warehouse rave. Its 1/2 g of plastic smelling, orange crystals. I talked to a guy in my local head shop about it and after 1/2 an hour of very involving enthuesastic dicussion he gave me a glass pipe perfect for dmt free of charge:). It was a fasinating conversation and really taught me alot. In a few days time i will be joining the ive smoked nn dmt clube
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thedudenj
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cool shit i have never found it only extracted it but mine come out whitish i get all the namptha out
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Orange is not a good sign. You may want to ask around about 'cleaning' it up a little bit. There's a simple hot vinegar wash or naptha freeze/separation, I'm sure others here can go into more detail and would love to help you out. Free pipe? that's the bee's knees personaly I would suggest eating a low shroom dose to ease your way into the void (it makes it easier to remember IME), there's nothing to fear just some good friends you havn't seen in awhile.
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With only a half g, unless it's really crummy I wouldn't bother cleaning it. A lot of the DMT going around (which is obviously very little) prior to a few years ago was yellowish (see erowid pics). Funny story I recently heard from a good guy: When asking people if they wanted to smoke some DMT, many turned down pure white crystal as the only stuff they'd seen years before was yellow, which they refered to as "orange organic". For some reason they seemed to believe that the yellow stuff was all natural and safe, while any white crystal is obviously some man made evil chemical. Heh... people.
Just improper extraction technique, probably too much acid used in the first step, and got some extra gunk out of the source plant. Really nothing to worry about when you've only got 10 doses (unless you REALLY can't hold the smoke in...).
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Oh, and congrats on the buy, you're a lucky one. I'd have jumped on the "OMG THAT'S PROBABLY 5-MeO-DMT" bandwagon if it were actually clean looking crystal. 
Got any pics?
Btw, your headshop keeper is cool to chat about substances and all... but your pipe was probably about 3-5 bucks.
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JeffersonDarcy
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orange/yellow is a sign of 2 things... possibly too much acid in the first step OR xylene used instead of naptha in the non polar extraction, AND evaporating the solvent in the last step.
in the newer teks you put the naptha in the freezer and white or slightly off white crystals preciptate out EVERY time.
anyway, I've heard of people getting really good esperiences with some DMT that they came across that wasnt pure white crystal.
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JeffersonDarcy
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as for my expereience with it, all I have smoked is freeze preciptated white crystal....
I havent got the full DMT experience yet... the shit is kind of tricky to smoke and pretty harsh.
I got the closest I've been today... with one weak hit and one man sized hit. started off with less intense OEVs than usual, but when I closed my eyes, I got the usual bad ass cathedral stained glass stuff, but the patterns morphed into an angelic woman, still made of patterns but unmistakably a female entity, who touched my face and tried to "pull me in" but couldnt for whatever reason (probably because I hadnt smoked enough lol)
DMT is the king of CEVs (with my limited experience of shrooms and smoked DMT). way too short tho.
btw what kind of pipe did this guy give you thats "perfect for smoking DMT"?
Edited by JeffersonDarcy (03/01/06 08:13 PM)
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Gratos
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Hows the fear factor, for lack of a better term . I have a friend whos into DMT but Ive put off trying it because I know how bad the psychedelic terror can get. Id really like to try it though.
Edited by Gratos (03/01/06 08:15 PM)
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Re: DMT :) [Re: Gratos]
#5354892 - 03/01/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I find it no where near as terrifying as mushrooms. Even with a full breakthrough, you just don't have time to be afraid. You're either amazed or you are nothing at all to even have emotions. Certainly, in my experience, the fear is overhyped.
Perfect CEV is damn right. I've experienced no harshness in the white stuff though. Not sure what technique was used, but it looks nothing like the yellow crap, and more like freeze precip. I find it amazing how beautiful CEV can be on it, while OEV tends to be completely boring!
"OR xylene used instead of naptha in the non polar extraction, AND evaporating the solvent in the last step."
From what I've read, xylene might not work so well with freeze precip. Is this not true? I certainly wouldn't want to evaporate it.
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Re: DMT :) [Re: Gratos]
#5354900 - 03/01/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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my experiences with DMT so far (all of which have been sub breakthrough--cool open eye effects, very intense closed eye visuals... but no complete out of body experience ego death as of yet) have been completely without any fear whatsoever.
For some reason, I am a little anxious before and while I smoke but once it takes effect I'm completely at ease. I just need someone to force me to MAN UP and FINISH THAT SHIT (training day LOL).
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JeffersonDarcy
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Koala Koolio said: I find it no where near as terrifying as mushrooms. Even with a full breakthrough, you just don't have time to be afraid. You're either amazed or you are nothing at all to even have emotions. Certainly, in my experience, the fear is overhyped.
Perfect CEV is damn right. I've experienced no harshness in the white stuff though. Not sure what technique was used, but it looks nothing like the yellow crap, and more like freeze precip. I find it amazing how beautiful CEV can be on it, while OEV tends to be completely boring!
"OR xylene used instead of naptha in the non polar extraction, AND evaporating the solvent in the last step."
From what I've read, xylene might not work so well with freeze precip. Is this not true? I certainly wouldn't want to evaporate it.
the harshness is due to traces of NaOH (LYE) no doubt about it. last time I smoked it (vaporized technically... meth style pipe) it burned alot and my thrat and chest bithered me for a day. I recrystallized with naptha and its alot less harsh... still a little burn but its gone after 15 minutes or so.
dunno about freeze precip. with xylene. I've only used naptha. I do know that xylene pulls more stuff out (read: more DMT and alot more stuff thats NOT DMT)
and yea I agree with it being nowhere near as scary as mushrooms can be... its pretty much over in 5 minutes or less (after effects last another 10 mins maybe but the main effects usually are only a few minutes) but as I said I havent gotten the complete breakthru yet....
Edited by JeffersonDarcy (03/01/06 08:26 PM)
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schmutzen
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Originally posted by another member
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This basified solution contains LYE which is extremely harsh to smoke. By doing this solvent wash after you have scrapped up the crystals you can virtually eliminate all of the lye in your final result as well as many other contaminants.
Once you have scrapped up your result from step 8 place it in a small glass container. In another container place a small amount of Naptha and run hot water over it. You want the naptha to be warm to the touch.
Once this is done add about 50 ml of naptha to the flask holding the crystals. If this is not enough to dissolve all of the crystals then add a little more. The goal here is to put just enough naptha into the flask to dissolve the DMT but not too much because you want it to evap quickly. Stir the flask by swirling it around. Do not place anything in the flask as you will disturb the sediment that should build up on the bottom. If the crystals do not want to dissolve then place the flask in a pot of hot water ( heat bath ). This will make the basified junk gummy and it will loose form and sink to the bottom adhering to the bottom of the flask.
Allow the flask to sit for one minute. Then pour off the naptha. Once you have gotten all of the naptha add about 10 ml more to the flask and swirl it around. This is to make sure you have gotten all of the spice. You can then add this 10 ml to the other 50 ml making sure that no sediment from the bottom makes it over. If you feel you still may have DMT in the flask by all means add more naptha and attempt to dissolve it. There's no rule to how many times you can add naptha the sediment after being in the heat bath should be stuck to the bottom quite well. So use as much naptha as you feel is neccissary.
You can now evap off the naptha and re collect your crystals. They should be much cleaner and show a more defined crystaline structure.
If there is still junk you can do a second wash. You should loose very little DMT on each wash so do as many as you need to get a good final result.
I would highly recommend trying that, you don't want to burn your throat meth/oil pipes are hard to come by for most of us so I still think you got a deal. I prefer smoking D in a 'sandwich' of damiana/mugwort/cannabis in a regular bowl. The experience itself has never freaked me out, I find the entities to be some good folk, just introduce yourself and tell them why you're here. There's a short TR (four winds) in my journal.
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JeffersonDarcy
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I did that... its what I meant when I said I recrystallized.
although, when I dissolved the crystals nothing stuck to the bottom of the container...
oh well. next time I am gonna get a separatory funnel and do a water/baking soda wash and an epsom salt drying... and when Im done with all that I will do a recrystallizations with heptane.
Edited by JeffersonDarcy (03/02/06 12:10 AM)
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has anyone tried a DMT snuff eg virola?
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I know. You're post was loaded with good info I was replying and just trying to give Mushy_face a good procedure to follow.
I have not heard of the baking soda/epsom/heptane methods, interesting. I find using naptha to defat and evaporate and just being careful separating your layers with a funnel to provide good product that I'm happy with and havn't felt the need to improve on it, yet.
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JeffersonDarcy
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namaste said: I know. You're post was loaded with good info I was replying and just trying to give Mushy_face a good procedure to follow.
I have not heard of the baking soda/epsom/heptane methods, interesting. I find using naptha to defat and evaporate and just being careful separating your layers with a funnel to provide good product that I'm happy with and havn't felt the need to improve on it, yet.
you get a pretty pure product just following the basic marsofold tek, but you will still have traces of NaOH, whether u use a turkey baster or separatory funnel. From what I understand, microscopic droplets of water make it into the naptha, and obviously there is lye in that water.
pretty much what you do is (assuming you extracted from 1lb of mhrb and have around 300ml naptha...
you put a 10ml saturated solution of water and baking soda into a sep. funnel with the naptha. shake it up and get the water out FAST. it will separate immediately so its not hard to do that. this does 2 things... much of the water droplets in the naptha will stick to the other water.. AND the sodium bicarbonate (bakingsoda) reacts with the sodium hydroxide (lye) and changes it to sodium carbonate, which is much less nasty than lye. after this you can do the same thing with 10ml of brine (salt saturated water) solution. some people say you can use ammonia, or ammonia and baking soda instead of water and bakingsoda.
then you put the naptha in a container and add anhydrous epsom salt (you have to cook epsom salt in the oven to remove all traces of water). it will clump up. when it stops clumping, pour the solution through a coffee filter and start the freeze preciptation.
when its done, you recrystallize with heptane (sold as BESTINE) the same way you would with naptha... the same thing you posted. 70ml per gram.
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schmutzen
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That must be snow-white, do you have any pics?
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JeffersonDarcy
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this is not my pic... but that is supposedly what it will look like after a recrystallization with heptane.
the stuff I have looks like the before pic.... even after a recrystallization with naptha.
but yea if you do all those washes and stuff you will have extremely clean DMT
Edited by JeffersonDarcy (03/02/06 08:46 AM)
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Koala Koolio
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Virola is mostly 5-MeO-DMT.
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schmutzen
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...just Wow. Those pics make me feel all squishy inside.
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