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InvisibleAsante
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Mushrooms & DMT -- where do they meet and where do they part?
    #5478173 - 04/04/06 07:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)
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The chemical difference between DMT and Psilocin is one single oxygen atom, in the "LSD position" (the indolic 4, the only psychedelic substituted there is LSD)

So basically: Shrooms = 4-HO-DMT

Dr Rick Strassman of DMT research fame (download that book people :smile:) writes he considers Psilocin to be "orally active DMT"

If you take this literally then you could basically say that low doses of intramuscular DMT might be equivalent to modest oral doses of Psilocin. Or that low doses of smoked DMT are very similar to oral mushrooms.

On the other side of the spectrum this might mean that if one were to take an extremely high dose of mushrooms, one might just end up being sucked into the Other Side completely, making the breakthrough, and spending upwards of 6 hours among the DMT elves.

I think very few would be psychologically capable of dealing with this, and most people's minds would probably go the way of the Titanic for some days, weeks or months. No one should seek this out, with DMT it is bearable *because* it is brief.

But the potential might be there.

So now lets turn to the people with good experience with both 4-HO-DMT and DMT. Is it right? How similar are mushrooms and DMT, and where do they part? Try to match the intensity and briefness and look for similarities and differences in their generic effects.
And how does ayahuasca compare to either pure DMT and Mushrooms?

This is where I hand the talking stick to the DMT veterans.
Gentlemen: speak your mind!


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Re: Mushrooms & DMT -- where do they meet and where do they part? [Re: Asante]
    #5478654 - 04/04/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Only dosed mushrooms once so far(1.7), but they take SWIM to the same place as DMT, just not as deep.Hes sure more of a dose would be almost identical.


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Re: Mushrooms & DMT -- where do they meet and where do they part? [Re: kija]
    #5478708 - 04/04/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

McKenna often said that on Ayahuasca as well as higher doses of mushrooms, one can use breathing exercises and darkness to coax his or herself into the "elf nest", which I'm sure you're familiar with. He said it is possible to break into that "neighborhood," indistinguishable from a DMT flash.

Just an interesting note.


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Re: Mushrooms & DMT -- where do they meet and where do they part? [Re: Psilocyan]
    #5480744 - 04/04/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Deff great book, everyone should read it.
its interesting to note, that DMT is the most simple of the tryptamines, psilocin is very close to that as well. But if you have the book, take a look at the comparison of 5meo-dmt to psilocin.


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Re: Mushrooms & DMT -- where do they meet and where do they part? [Re: NSUCK]
    #5480808 - 04/04/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have chilled in the zone for quite some time myself as im sure many have and oh a zone it is. things can get and stay very strange with mushrooms for a long time.  about a year ago when I did my first mushrooms for so long and so little a time it seemed I was in a compeltly diffrent world. I would walk around and feel the world we live in but my true self was dwelling in this world of other being and presncees making me feel(this is a diffrent feel more like direct instant info exchange) things I cant describe. Needless to say it was very confusing but very enlightening. Now I feel like in still sorting though all that stuff given to me. the the rainy season in flordia is almost in and there is nothing better than eating mushrooms right out of the ground. :penguinmonkey:


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Re: Mushrooms & DMT -- where do they meet and where do they part? [Re: so_me_tuo]
    #5481628 - 04/05/06 04:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't have anything to add, except that when I get enough cashmoney to buy 10 grams of shrooms, I'm going to dose it all in a controlled setting, and when it happens, I'm going to make an attempt to break into Elf-Ville, so to speak. As it stands, I don't have the money to start doing extractions and whatnot right now though I will get around to it eventually. I've suffered/enjoyed ego loss from shrooms before and I'm ready to do it again, or get past it even.

What I would like to know, highlighting what Wiccan_Seeker said, I am specifically interested in the qualitative differences between smoked DMT and ayahuasca.


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Re: Mushrooms & DMT -- where do they meet and where do they part? [Re: Asante]
    #5481761 - 04/05/06 06:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It seems to me that some long-time DMT smokers come to conclusion that smoked is too brief to gain insight and the brew is the only way to go.  I think there is some truth to that, but I'm not convinced yet :grin: and Mushrooms are still my closest friends.

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I think very few would be psychologically capable of dealing with this, and most people's minds would probably go the way of the Titanic for some days, weeks or months. No one should seek this out, with DMT it is bearable *because* it is brief.




Well, intention goes a long ways.  The Other Side shows me that life in general is made up of really high-highs and really low-lows, and that karma is very real. I find balance in the following weeks and believe they're helping me to adjust to these changes.  They've given me calm when I've needed it most, shown me that petty issues just are not worth freaking out over... but i digress.

Great questions though :thumbup:


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Re: Mushrooms & DMT -- where do they meet and where do they part? [Re: Asante]
    #5481985 - 04/05/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks Wiccan, I was just looking for a d/l for this book.


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Re: Mushrooms & DMT -- where do they meet and where do they part? [Re: barfightlard]
    #5482024 - 04/05/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

my experiments with DMT has been positive, i like takin it in moderate to somewhat high dosages, smoked very often. i dont feel there is much similarity between mushrooms and dmt, dmt is more .. wow! than psilocybe mushrooms. dmt is much more intense in so many ways that mushrooms arent. mushrooms is more like a journey for me, its more time to ponder and wonder. ayahuasca on the other hand i think is alot diffrent than pure syntetic dmt and mushrooms. mushrooms is often more religious for me, self exploring but mushrooms is the only psycadelic i get profound religous thoughts from. ayahuasca is more getting in touch with mother nature like. i can feel the forces of nature on ayahuasca, its like a pulse that i can feel. my way of thinking is very diffrent on ayahuasca than on mushrooms. its extremly difficult to explain very well the diffrences but i do find them to be very diffrent on so many levels that i think they are almost uncomperable. if i was to choose what i like best of the three i will defently say ayahuasca. syntetic dmt is very brief experience and extremly intense. its more out of control. but i do enjoy mushroom better when it comes to visual, mushroom is the kind that i can look at a mountain and see it grows and grows taller and taller until it seem like a stairway to heaven at least when it comes to OEVs , i can have much of the same on ayahuasca but i find the mushroom visuals to be nicer. DMT (not to forget its cousin DPT) is more crazy like.. gives me a feeling of wow wtf was that..


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Re: Mushrooms & DMT -- where do they meet and where do they part? [Re: giz]
    #5482269 - 04/05/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Pharmacologically speaking, it would seem that DMT has a much more significant 5-HT1A receptor component.


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Re: Mushrooms & DMT -- where do they meet and where do they part? [Re: badchad]
    #23776836 - 10/27/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Mushrooms & DMT -- where do they meet and where do they part? [Re: yogashaman21] * 1
    #23776851 - 10/27/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

In my experience, any form of DMT has some resemblence in the trip(The same message) Mushrooms vs Vaporized DMT, the most obvious differences are length of experience - I don't think vaporized DMT can do anything that Mushrooms can't.

The reason Ayahuasca and DMT get so much "hype" and "success" is because you are *usually* taking them in a ritualistic type setting(have intention) on top of that taking a DOSAGE that allows you to peer into the other side, otherwise fully embodying it.

40mg of DMT and amounts contained in Ayahuasca brews are ranging from 5-8 grams of mushroom experiences on average. If you took 7 grams of Mushrooms in a the same scenario I doubt anything less than what Ayahuasca or vaporized DMT would do. Just in a different type of experience, in no way any less intense or mind expanding, and I believe this to be the truth.


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Re: Mushrooms & DMT -- where do they meet and where do they part? [Re: Asante]
    #23869927 - 11/26/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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this might mean that if one were to take an extremely high dose of mushrooms, one might just end up being sucked into the Other Side completely, making the breakthrough, and spending upwards of 6 hours among the DMT elves.




Hi, forgive me if I am quoting you out of context here, but I really wanted to place emphasis on your statement above.

I wanted to mention that I once ate an ounce of dried psilocybin mushrooms in one sitting and other than feeling extremely poisoned and having bad hallucinations, did not experience anything 'supernatural' or out of the ordinary. It was many years ago and that experience (along with a few previous experiences) sort of shaped how I feel about mushrooms. In other words, if four times the dose needed for a so-called "ego-death" could not provide me with any spiritual revelations or cosmic realizations, then there must be something wrong with trying to find any kind of enlightenment through this particular activity. Anyway, to those who find mushrooms enlightening, more power to you! I just think I have already exhausted myself through these types of experiences long ago and did not obtain any meaningful lessons.


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