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DMT = meet aliens?
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Ok, first of all you have to embrace the idea that if you were the creator of the universe, you are in control of putting things in places to be found, like easter eggs.

Shrooms, peyote, etc... you get the idea.

I hear a lot about seeing beings while on DMT. I wonder - by chance - if DMT perhaps were to be available outside of earth, and if so - perhaps it's the only way for us to "engage" other life in the universe?

After all, if you created the universe and you know that the people on Earth will never be able to reach the beings on "XXX", then maybe it would be a good idea to plant some kind of chemical that opens the channels for communication between the worlds of life?

Never done DMT myself, or I could say whether or not I agree with this. I offer it up to those with experience and ask them to refine it.

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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: GrizzyCappy]
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It's a chemical... like any other, I suppose. The Universe is comprised of similar materials throughout eternity-- I see no reason why what we have here isn't elsewhere...
:cool:

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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: coAsTal]
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In some other universe, sugar could react with their brains in a weird way and make them have similar effects.


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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: GrizzyCappy]
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Interesting theory, although in my experiences with true breakthroughs, its not so much meetings "aliens". These "aliens" or "beings" or "elves" (whatever the fuck you want to call them) have an INTIMATE knowledge of us. When I go, I am expected, they know I am about to arrive and they have prepared for that arrival. Many times there are "crowds" gathered. I cant explain the DMT world, I cant explain what happens on the other side of a breakthrough when you are sitting in what can only be described as the "control room of reality", although I am sure no mental picture you will get from that description will come close. Its a place that feels more at home than anything you can imagine, yet a place that you are so intimately familiar with that it can be scary/eerie. And then there is the "music", the "music" everyone I have talked to about their breakthrough can remember...a sound that flows through you and everything, almost carnival like...yet in some ways ancient and in need of reference.

I am rambling now, as I often do when talking about DMT. Its hard to discuss because I know so many things that I cant get out of my head properly to explain to others. I could discuss this for an eternity and not get across what I want to...so instead I usually just hand people the bowl and help them get to that place on their own.

DMT takes you out of this universe...you arent seeing aliens as we think of aliens. You are seeings beings that exist outside of our universe in reality, outside of our life and death.

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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: coAsTal]
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coAsTal said:
It's a chemical... like any other, I suppose.


:lol: Unlike any other. Yes it may be just another combination of atoms, but this combination somehow unlocks the consciousness of who we really are from the restraints of this awful human body, and allows you to on small doses see the world and universe as never before, and on large doses and breakthroughs completely leave everything you thought was real behind.

Remember when neo wakes up in the matrix...thats a breakthrough, when you open your eyes surrounded by something completely foreign and you are told "welcome to the real world"

Not just another chemical

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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: BrainChemicals]
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BrainChemicals said:
In some other universe, sugar could react with their brains in a weird way and make them have similar effects.


in the infinite other possibilites that exist, I agree that could be very true. Anything is possible in the worlds we cannot see or understand.

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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
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gopenguins said:
Interesting theory, although in my experiences with true breakthroughs, its not so much meetings "aliens". These "aliens" or "beings" or "elves" (whatever the fuck you want to call them) have an INTIMATE knowledge of us. When I go, I am expected, they know I am about to arrive and they have prepared for that arrival. Many times there are "crowds" gathered. I cant explain the DMT world, I cant explain what happens on the other side of a breakthrough when you are sitting in what can only be described as the "control room of reality", although I am sure no mental picture you will get from that description will come close. Its a place that feels more at home than anything you can imagine, yet a place that you are so intimately familiar with that it can be scary/eerie. And then there is the "music", the "music" everyone I have talked to about their breakthrough can remember...a sound that flows through you and everything, almost carnival like...yet in some ways ancient and in need of reference.

I am rambling now, as I often do when talking about DMT. Its hard to discuss because I know so many things that I cant get out of my head properly to explain to others. I could discuss this for an eternity and not get across what I want to...so instead I usually just hand people the bowl and help them get to that place on their own.

DMT takes you out of this universe...you arent seeing aliens as we think of aliens. You are seeings beings that exist outside of our universe in reality, outside of our life and death.



  awesome explanation man  :thumbup:
  I haven't tried DMT yet but your explanation is very similar to some of my Salvia breakthroughs

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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: GrizzyCappy]
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I too have always thought of this. Maybe interstellar travel is really only possible through one's mind. Perhaps the saying "Ill see you in the next world" or, "He's in another world" is somewhat based in fact when discussing death or sanity. Ours thoughts are the key to the universe.


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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: GrizzyCappy]
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You should read The Spirit Molecule.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: soulcircus]
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What an awesome discussion. I wish I had friends that did so I could sit there and just soak up all kinds of info from their trip reports. Who knows, maybe I'd get balls to do it myself after hearing enough? At this point - I'm way too scared. My curiousity has not yet outweighed my fear...

But please, tell me more. Any input from anyone that's experienced any kind of possible interaction with another conciousness on DMT.

Whether it's aliens, energy forms, spirit world, or dead people - we'll figure that out later...

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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: soulcircus]
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yeah man true
but...
by doing these chemicals you are bridging the gap between the concious and subconcious and the physical and spiritual worlds.

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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
You should read The Spirit Molecule.


To get one mans perspective. Dont get me wrong, its a good book, but there are better resources on this site about DMT than that book will ever offer. Well written though, and interesting, especially trip reports in a clinical atmosphere.

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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
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Wait a minute, is DMT found in all animals, too? If so, would that suggest that DMT is a requirement for a SPIRIT?
(Took a quick look at Spirit Molecule)

Holy shit. This is getting more and more interesting by the minute.

I just may have to drive into the Sonaran desert and grab myself a toad!

Edited by GrizzyCappy (04/18/07 04:59 PM)

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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: soulcircus]
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soulcircus said:
perosnally i think the place you go on DMT you have expereinced many times before through past lives and possibly every night when you go to sleep, its that familiar, my personal beleifs and from things i have read is that the DMT experience correlates with the astral layers of reality. Being, the next level up from the physical in a way. And the place between physical incarnations.

That all sounds so specific but thats what i beleive.

So there is no need for the chemical for us to go there, and you'll meet yor friends and relatives there when you die anyways(joiing the anestors).

But i can't know that.

It just feels like that's the most likely explantion in my books.


I want to meet you, grab some doses and some DMT and talk for hours. :smile: Seriously, I agree with alot of what you said, and I think alot of answers to the DMT world can be found through study of the astral realms and study of eastern religions (specifically hinduism and buddhism). Hoenstly, before DMT I never really knew anything about ancient eastern beliefs...then after my first trip i started doing google image searches for things I has seen and beings I had met...almost everything involved in what I see on a DMT breakthrough has had some connection to ancient eastern beliefs. STRANGE

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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
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I have not tried DMT yet, but I do agree... but I have a feeling I will have "This is TOO real" feelings.

So are the hallucations actually as real visually are dreams, or is it mainly just bright colors and things that sort of look like a body?


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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: BrainChemicals]
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BrainChemicals said:
I have not tried DMT yet, but I do agree... but I have a feeling I will have "This is TOO real" feelings.

So are the hallucations actually as real visually are dreams, or is it mainly just bright colors and things that sort of look like a body?


its different...senses work different. You are "fed" information like it is piped into your head. I cant explain it an do it justice. On a small dose there are the bright colors, and the CEV's that sort of resemble other things, on a breakthrough...damn...you are in a place more real than real, more vivid than any lucid dream, past anything you can ever imagine.

Side note, I do believe this place...or existense...or reality...wherever DMT allows you to go...can be accessed through other ways. I believe with meditation you can free you mind from your body. I am not there yet, I dont know if I ever will be, but at the same time I dont believe a drug is the only way to get there...actually my "protector" (a dmt entity i am quite familiar with, almost "friends") has told me he can be reached without the use of any other drug.

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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: soulcircus]
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so what the fuck are the elves exactly?


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Re: DMT = meet aliens? [Re: dedjam]
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gopenguins said:
Remember when neo wakes up in the matrix...thats a breakthrough, when you open your eyes surrounded by something completely foreign and you are told "welcome to the real world"



nice way to put it!


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