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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: a little satori goes a long (middle) way [Re: Sinbad]
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using the term "intrisic" helps, not very dualistic or extreme,
your last comment could condition your other comment,
i.e.
supporting no absolute cessation.
it is a natural and relative and continuous process.

you were right all along!
(eventually)


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Re: a little satori goes a long (middle) way [Re: redgreenvines]
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When all afflictive and non-afflictive obscruations, through training, have been totally purified, then one can speak of absolute buddhahood. Why? Because there is no longer any possibility, through ignorance, for those obscurations to arise again, hence it is absolute in that sense. (not implying stasis, or some heavenly abode, the realization is unimpeded and hence absolute).

Cessation is when all 'afflictive' obscurations that cause suffering have been cut through, and the state of realization (Nirvana) is no longer impeded by any afflcitive obscuring factors. It is absolute in the sense that there is no longer any possibility for suffering conditions to arise again. (it is not a place or abode, since it is a state of 'realization').

If it was a natural and relative process, then we would all be free from suffering right now, and not bound by causes and conditions produced through afflictive obscuration. Since this is not so, it is the reason why we need to follow a path that will increase positive causes and conditions, purify negative ones, remove afflictive obscurations that are the root of suffering, and also remove non-afflictive obscurations (subtle ignorance), enabling us to realize ultimate bodhicitta for the benefit of one and all.

Of course, i can give some philosophical interpretations, but its real meaning is psychological; they're to do with states of mind. Realization is not philosophy.


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the cat's in the cradle and a silver spoon. [Re: Sinbad]
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yes don't go too far on a limb or anything.
this is already a pretzle
you verge to the absolute and then allow that it is conditioned by the word "afflictive" then you go absolute again.
and all that without even starting to be philosophical!

so
let's just leave it at the meditation
stay focussed and not worry about "enlightenment" or who is "enlighened" or what it will be like - oh "we'll have a good time then, yes we'll have a good time then".


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Re: the cat's in the cradle and a silver spoon. [Re: redgreenvines]
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It is the 'realization' that is impeded by obscurations, not the absolute. In Buddhism its improtant to know what is the path and fruit otherwise its like going on a journey without a map, you can waste time on many sidetracks and detours.

Even focusing on the goal, instead of relaxing and observing our present experience can be an obstacle, so we must be aware of that. As for worrying about enligthenment or 'who' get its. If we are having these question, we should take it as a sign of some ignorance obscurations with regard to the nature of self and phenomenon. Thus we need to learn, reflect and meditate.

Edit: Anyways, this is boring for most people on this forum, and it bores me to go into this. So lets leave this conversation for some other time.


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Edited by Sinbad (03/15/07 07:01 PM)

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Re: A question about meditation. [Re: Alnico]
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Here is a useful link for you.

http://www.bps.lk/newaletters/nl45.html


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