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True Hallucinations... oh
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So after a dmt session, the hallucinations moved from the geometric shifting patterns, to true hallucinations, i cant really describe them, but basically... as in... a door will come off its hinges and go back etc. then.. i realised that it was me in control of all of this, then it got.. scary.

i could reaarange the room by the intention of my thoughts.

the problem is... this happens now everytime i trip, on everything, once ive seen the possiblity of how it can happen, it does happen. i dont mind this, but does anyone have any techniques? is this where i need to go and seek out a shaman for an apprenticeship.

it also happens whenever i wake from sleep for a few minutes, but i have less control.

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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: psyche_sailor]
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Hmm, that's intense.

Does the furniture stay that way? I'm curious.


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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: psyche_sailor]
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you are good at stopping the editor and revelling in the make believe world that you can conjure when the editor stops,
naturally this means that your associations and apprehensions become real instantaneously.

when you are not stoned, you have to re-build the library of associations that will be triggered and accessed when you get stoned.

i.e. new associations so that different apprehensions (or messages like volume not available another borrower has it) occur when you are stoned (or not) and the trigger presents.


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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: psyche_sailor]
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I seem to remember some usefull techniques in one or both of the following books. Reading your post I was reminded of the books By Jane Roberts who supposedly channeled Seth, entitled "The Nature of Personal Reality", and "Seth Speaks". They are fairly popular books within certain mystical circles if one can accept the whole channeled books concept. They were written in the 60's and 70's well before the new age movement. They talk alot about how reality is actually created at the level of consciousness. You might consider reading the reviews of them at Amazon.com. I think most libraries carry them as well. I think The Nature of Personal Relaity gets more into the stuff your talking about.

I remember reading about how space changes depending upon our moods, and that we think we are hallucinating feelings of cramped space or openess, but in actuality we are changing the actual dimensions of space with our consciousness. Lots of stuff like that.


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"An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty.  It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

~ Thomas Paine (1737-1809)
American pamphleteer and Founding Father, 1775

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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: zenotter]
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thankyou, the thing is im not sure im really supposed to talk about this, but, i feel i need some help.

the furniture doesnt stay the way because ive always put it back, im too scared to not. but im sure it would. im starting to understand the buddhist concept of buddha mind. and the shamanic notion that the universe is made of thought.

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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: psyche_sailor]
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i also feel myself guided and protected since this has happened, i can walk around following my instincts without 'thinking' and get everything done, i can also feel the sounds of the city increase and decrease as i breath, let go, and merge with them.

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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: psyche_sailor]
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I am pretty sure it is The Nature of Personal Reality by Jane Roberts that you would find both reassuring and filled with good guidance and techniques.

You are not the first person to realize that we create our realities... our entire realities, with our consciousness. I will post something here you might find interesting, it is more about healing, but very much in the same vein as what you are describing. I wouldn't normally post anything this long, but I think you might find it worth reading.
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"... article by Joe Vitale ...:

Two years ago, I heard about a therapist in Hawaii who cured a
complete ward of criminally insane patients -- without ever
seeing any of them. The psychologist would study an inmate's
chart and then look within himself to see how he created that
person's illness. As he improved himself, the patient improved.

When I first heard this story, I thought it was an urban legend.
How could anyone heal anyone else by healing himself? How could
even the best self-improvement master cure the criminally
insane?

It didn't make any sense. It wasn't logical, so I dismissed the
story.

However, I heard it again a year later. I heard that the
therapist had used a Hawaiian healing process called ho
'oponopono. I had never heard of it, yet I couldn't let it leave
my mind. If the story was at all true, I had to know more.

I had always understood "total responsibility" to mean that I am
responsible for what I think and do. Beyond that, it's out of my
hands. I think that most people think of total responsibility
that way. We're responsible for what we do, not what anyone else
does. The Hawaiian therapist who healed those mentally ill
people would teach me an advanced new perspective about total
responsibility.

His name is Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len. We probably spent an hour
talking on our first phone call. I asked him to tell me the
complete story of his work as a therapist. He explained that he
worked at Hawaii State Hospital for four years. That ward where
they kept the criminally insane was dangerous. Psychologists
quit on a monthly basis. The staff called in sick a lot or
simply quit. People would walk through that ward with their
backs against the wall, afraid of being attacked by patients. It
was not a pleasant place to live, work, or visit.

Dr. Len told me that he never saw patients. He agreed to have an
office and to review their files. While he looked at those
files, he would work on himself. As he worked on himself,
patients began to heal.

"After a few months, patients that had to be shackled were being
allowed to walk freely," he told me. "Others who had to be
heavily medicated were getting off their medications. And those
who had no chance of ever being released were being freed."

I was in awe.

"Not only that," he went on, "but the staff began to enjoy
coming to work. Absenteeism and turnover disappeared. We ended
up with more staff than we needed because patients were being
released, and all the staff was showing up to work. Today, that
ward is closed."

This is where I had to ask the million dollar question: "What
were you doing within yourself that caused those people to
change?"

"I was simply healing the part of me that created them," he
said.

I didn't understand.

Dr. Len explained that total responsibility for your life means
that everything in your life - simply because it is in your
life--is your responsibility. In a literal sense the entire
world is your creation.

Whew. This is tough to swallow. Being responsible for what I say
or do is one thing. Being responsible for what everyone in my
life says or does is quite another. Yet, the truth is this: if
you take complete responsibility for your life, then everything
you see, hear, taste, touch, or in any way experience is your
responsibility because it is in your life.

This means that terrorist activity, the president, the
economy--anything you experience and don't like--is up for you
to heal. They don't exist, in a manner of speaking, except as
projections from inside you. The problem isn't with them, it's
with you, and to change them, you have to change you.

I know this is tough to grasp, let alone accept or actually
live. Blame is far easier than total responsibility, but as I
spoke with Dr. Len, I began to realize that healing for him and
in ho 'oponopono means loving yourself. If you want to improve
your life, you have to heal your life. If you want to cure
anyone--even a mentally ill criminal--you do it by healing you.

I asked Dr. Len how he went about healing himself. What was he
doing, exactly, when he looked at those patients' files?

"I just kept saying, 'I'm sorry' and 'I love you' over and over
again," he explained.

That's it?

That's it.

Turns out that loving yourself is the greatest way to improve
yourself, and as you improve yourself, your improve your world.
Let me give you a quick example of how this works: one day,
someone sent me an email that upset me. In the past I would have
handled it by working on my emotional hot buttons or by trying
to reason with the person who sent the nasty message. This time,
I decided to try Dr. Len's method. I kept silently saying, "I'm
sorry" and "I love you," I didn't say it to anyone in
particular. I was simply evoking the spirit of love to heal
within me what was creating the outer circumstance.

Within an hour I got an e-mail from the same person. He
apologized for his previous message. Keep in mind that I didn't
take any outward action to get that apology. I didn't even write
him back. Yet, by saying "I love you," I somehow healed within
me what was creating him.

I later attended a ho'oponopono workshop run by Dr. Len. He's
now 70 years old, considered a grandfatherly shaman, and is
somewhat reclusive. He praised my book, The Attractor Factor. He
told me that as I improve myself, my book's vibration will
raise, and everyone will feel it when they read it. In short, as
I improve, my readers will improve.

"What about the books that are already sold and out there?" I
asked.

"They aren't out there," he explained, once again blowing my
mind with his mystic wisdom. "They are still in you."

In short, there is no out there.

It would take a whole book to explain this advanced technique
with the depth it deserves. Suffice it to say that whenever you
want to improve anything in your life, there's only one place to
look: inside you."

website: http://www.hooponopono.org

*edit: fixed link

Edited by zenotter (11/15/06 05:11 PM)

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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: zenotter]
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Also, if you do decide to go the Shamanic route and can't find a traditional Shaman to work with you, Michael Harner has studied with Shamans all over the world and has brought Shamanism and its training into the US and made Shamanic training available to anyone. I have never attended any of these classes but have considered it for quite some time now, if only to potentially meet other people with whom to share ethneogenic plants and experiences.

http://www.shamanism.org/


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"An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty.  It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

~ Thomas Paine (1737-1809)
American pamphleteer and Founding Father, 1775

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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: zenotter]
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thankyou, i enjoyed that.

although im still looking for more practical techniques.. not to STOP what is happening, but to try to integrate and control what is happening, and to find a use for it.

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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: psyche_sailor]
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thanks ZENOTTER but im in the UK.(and everywhere, if its something ive learnt, its that) should have said that.

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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: psyche_sailor]
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psyche_sailor said:
thankyou, i enjoyed that.

although im still looking for more practical techniques.. not to STOP what is happening, but to try to integrate and control what is happening, and to find a use for it.


Just an observation but it seems like people on the spiritual path, especially people with powerful gifts ultimately end up using them for healing.


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"An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty.  It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

~ Thomas Paine (1737-1809)
American pamphleteer and Founding Father, 1775

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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: zenotter]
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yup. ive noticed that, the only way i can use this power is through true creativity, when it first started to happen, i was absoloutely terrified and overwhelmed, but something in me made me want to express myself, with truth, and so i started dancing (i never dance) then i was doing a range of fluid movements, which worked to control the flow of visions. also, it seems like karma has caught up with me, to the point where if i do anything with bad intentions, i feel the consequences there and then. but i suppose everything is there and then, init!

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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: psyche_sailor]
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I have had the experience where every thought I had was hugely increased into a feeling in my body. Any negative thought felt physically horrible, and any thought of gratitude or celebration felt magnificent. The interesting lesson for me was that whenever I tried not to think of something negative, it felt just as bad as when I thought about something negative. So then I would try to think of something positive and feel good, then my mind would start trying to avoid any negative thoughts, but that felt just as bad as actually thinking them. I was only able to feel good about 15% - 20% of the time while dwelling in positive thoughts without even thinking about avoiding negative ones.

What a lesson this was for me in the way my mind worked typically and the effects it has on my body. It taught me that an idea like "Teach Peace" has a positive vibe to it, while a message like "Stop Violence" has a negtvie vibe attached to it. You get the idea.

Anyway, I thought wow, "all these thoughts building up all this energy in my body all these years." No wonder we get sick.


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"An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty.  It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

~ Thomas Paine (1737-1809)
American pamphleteer and Founding Father, 1775

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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: psyche_sailor]
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YOU GOT IT!

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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: psyche_sailor]
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This thread is absolutely amazing to read. Everything that is being said feels like im unlocking hidden mysteries within myself, yet everything being said is way over my head. This stuff is so fascinating....please, continue.....


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"Life lived in the absence of the psychedelic experience that primordial shamanism is based on is life trivialized, life denied, life enslaved to the ego."

"You teach the world how to treat you, by showing the world how you treat yourself."

A well developed sense of humor is far superior to any religion"

"Everything you could want and could be, you already have and are."

:peace: & :heart:

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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: psyche_sailor]
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psyche_sailor said:
So after a dmt session, the hallucinations moved from the geometric shifting patterns, to true hallucinations, i cant really describe them, but basically... as in... a door will come off its hinges and go back etc. then.. i realised that it was me in control of all of this, then it got.. scary.

i could reaarange the room by the intention of my thoughts.

the problem is... this happens now everytime i trip, on everything, once ive seen the possiblity of how it can happen, it does happen. i dont mind this, but does anyone have any techniques? is this where i need to go and seek out a shaman for an apprenticeship.

it also happens whenever i wake from sleep for a few minutes, but i have less control.


thats mad as fuck!!!

is it really a probem? id like to try it out :lol:

anyway my advice would be dont do hallucinogenics for a while, see if it goes away. alternatively book a bed a your local mental hospital now!

i have a permanent tracer from moving objects, if i dont take any hallucinogenics for a while it fades :tongue:


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Re: True Hallucinations... oh [Re: hoopershroomer]
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Good article.

I think it's interesting that they chose to describe it as:

"once you bring the entire universe into your self you may heal it"
instead of
"once you put yourself entirely into your universe you may heal it".

The second statement was something that was essentially said to me by myself during a period of intense contemplation, sober, but the thought itself triggered the most powerful positive emotional cascade I have had in my life, even on E, it was weird and almost scary.

It's cool that those two statements mean exactly the same thing, just from a different point of view. (your universe or mine guys?)

The prior is more shaman-seeming, the latter more savior-seeming.


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Know your self.
Know your substance.
Know your source.

The most distorted perspective possible is the perspective that yours is not distorted.

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