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Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges in Germany
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Though he has resigned as Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld is expected to be accused of war crimes in a lawsuit to be filed next week in Germany.

The Center for Constitutional Rights will file the suit on behalf of a group of Iraqi detainees as well as the so-called 20th hijacker, who is currently being held at Guantanamo Bay.

"The former secretary actually authorized a series of interrogation techniques," said Michael Ratner, President of CCR. "They included the use of dogs, stripping, hooding, stressed positions, chaining to the floor, sexual humiliation and those types of activities."

Those techniques, he says, amount to torture and violate the Geneva Conventions. Ratner will be traveling to Berlin next week and plans to file the suit on Tuesday.

The suit is being brought in Germany because a "universal jurisdiction" law there allows German courts to claim jurisdiction over war crimes even if they were committed outside that country's borders.

CCR filed a similar lawsuit in Germany two years ago. That suit charged that Rumsfeld, former CIA Director George Tenet and other senior officials were responsible for the torturing of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison. The suit was dismissed, however, because German prosecutors said the case had no connection to German citizens nor to events that took place in Germany.

Department of Defense officials at the time refused to comment on the allegations in the suit, and Rumsfeld himself has called such universal jurisdiction lawsuits "absurd" and "politicized."

Despite the previous dismissals and Rumsfeld's resignation, Ratner says he still thinks the former secretary needs to be held accountable for what Ratner calls "war crimes," and he also wants to put the U.S. interrogation policy on trial.

"I think it's important not just for the personal accountability of Rumsfeld but really to put the United States back into what I consider the letter of law," he said.

Lawyers for the plaintiffs say that one of the witnesses who will testify on their behalf is former Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, the one-time commander of all U.S. military prisons in Iraq. Karpinski --- who the lawyers say will be in Germany next week to publicly address her accusations in the case --- has issued a written statement to accompany the legal filing, which says, in part: "It was clear the knowledge and responsibility [for what happened at Abu Ghraib] goes all the way to the top of the chain of command to the Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld."

http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/legal/september_11th/sept11Article.asp?ObjID=1xiADJOOQx&Content=472
http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/report.asp?ObjID=ci38xk7IHk&Content=509
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/
http://cryptogon.com/2006_11_05_blogarchive.html#116285685905451025


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Re: Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges in Germany [Re: zorbman]
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Karma's a bitch :grin:


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Re: Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges in Germany [Re: Gastronomicus]
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the more we know the weaker the country gets


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Re: Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges in Germany [Re: elduque]
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Who cares? It doesn't mean anything.

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Re: Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges in Germany [Re: gregorio]
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Justice means nothing?


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Re: Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges in Germany [Re: zorbman]
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I'm sorry, what's Germany doing about Darfur right now?

How about the situation in Lebanon?

What's that? They've contributed less troops to UNAFIL than France? And they're making no other significant contributions to UN forces? (source: http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/contributors/2006/oct06_5.pdf )

Well they must be using their economic and military might to fight injustice *somewhere*...

Oh, that's right, they're trying to bring charges that won't stick against Donald Rumsfeld. Because he committed war crimes so massive that the Iraqi public support the decision of the US to invade:

Source: World Public Opinion Research

Once again, Germany has proved successfully that they're a nation of hypocrites, who would rather whine about actions taken by the only real power in the world than expend their own resources in order to change things for the better.

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Re: Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges in Germany [Re: barfightlard]
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What justice? You think there's a chance in hell Rumsfeld will ever be held accountable for his actions, especially in another, weaker country?

I don't think you fully understand the psychology of the US gov't.


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Re: Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges in Germany [Re: Ravus]
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Germany isn't bringing the suit, CCR is. Here's the wiki on it's president, Michael Ratner:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ratner

"Ratner has litigated numerous cases opposing US initiated wars from Central America to Iraq. He recently filed a criminal complaint in the courts of Germany against U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and other US officials seeking the initiation of criminal prosecutions against them for the abuse and torture at Abu Ghraib prison. He served as a special counsel to Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, assisting in the prosecution of human rights crimes. Ratner sued the George H. W. Bush administration to stop the Gulf War, the Bill Clinton administration to stop the bombing of Kosovo, and he successfully sued on behalf of victims of the Bosnian Serb leader, Radovan Karadzic, for war crimes."

Not much success there.


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Re: Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges in Germany [Re: zappaisgod]
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Rumsfeld is just another in a long string of fall guys. As IF the voters tossed out the republicans because, "gee, I think Don Rummy is a bum, therefore I'll vote for Democrats this time"
RR


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Re: Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges in Germany [Re: zappaisgod]
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He sounds like a bit of a douche, Sued the Clinton Administration for bombing Kosovo? Yet hes represented people sueing Karadzic, talk about hypocritical.

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Re: Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges in Germany [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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The_Red_Crayon said:
He sounds like a bit of a douche, Sued the Clinton Administration for bombing Kosovo? Yet hes represented people sueing Karadzic, talk about hypocritical.


agreed! sounds like he does things for attention, and media coverage


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Re: Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges in Germany [Re: elduque]
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being accused of something, and "facing" those accusations are not even close to being the same.


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Re: Rumsfeld to Face War Crimes Charges in Germany [Re: zorbman]
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He won't be tried.


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