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Confusion.
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Is life a perpetual state of confusion and fear - or is it just me?

Is philosophy just a fancy word for confusion vs conclusion?

People who doesn't think about this seems concluded, people who do think about this seems confused.

Constantly I see intelligent bright people go "why?" and scratching their heads - and I see intelligent bright people go "because" and go about their day doing stuff.

On one hand there are philosophers which asks.

On the other there are "normals" which do not ask.

I don't know if the normals answers anything, or if they just blindly accept reality for what they have been told that it is, or if they have just given up on the idea of ever knowing alltogether.

What a neat example of oposames (david icke), meaning its not really oposites, its the same thing - divided and played against eachother.

Either you ask yourself and eachother, and then you answer yourself and eachother with more questions - or you just don't.

Within these two fractions I find that the people who asks argue amongst eachother and creates answers to eachothers questions with more questions. Which goes on forever, and proportionally grows bigger for every answer which in fractal patterns create more questions to answer and create even more questions from.

The people who don't ask questions, argue with everyone else about whats RIGHT and WRONG, because they think they know or think that noone knows. Slander eachother with the same arguements every day, and think that the people who asks are either far more intelligent or far more stupid.

The people who asks are represented in this forum, and the people that don't is also represented in this forum.

The asking always changes their ideas around and trade opinions amongst eachother, in perpetual change.

The non-asking always keeps their ideas the same, and trade arguements amongst eachother, in perpetual duality.

Out of all of this comes me, the observer, who asks - what the fuck is going on here!? Why are some people doing this, and some people doing that, and what does it all boil down to, and what does it all accumulate?

I guess I'm asking questions here, but lets answer a few as well from my viewpoint, and hopefully someone who bothers to plow through all this shit, will answer with theirs, and test this little theory of mine.

What is going on here is confusion. People are conditioned by the media, the norms, the nationality and religious and mental and spiritual beliefs programmed from early age by family and friends, to constantly accept their media, their norms, their nationality and their religion as THEIR truth. A truth which follows is the truth that sharinig this truth is THE RIGHT THING TO DO. (hint: missionaries, humanists, buddha)

And then there is the other side of that even, which is me - trying to argue that the previously learnt truth is interchangable and needs to be changed. Hence this post.

I think someone is pulling the strings, and want us to disagree, sit on our asses and bicker forever in this language created by the greeks (see the GREEK thread), and not be able to consciously tell ourselves to get off our asses and be and do good, besides, WHATS GOOD ANYWAY HUH!? ...and it has been going on for thousands upon thousands of years, and this is why we think its no way to fight back.

How right am I, huh?  :goodluck:


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The argent messenger of truth beyond truth, the antithesis of life, cruel and bleak as interstellar space, pulseless and frozen as absolute zero, dazzling with the frost of irrefragable logic and unforgettable fact.

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Re: Confusion. [Re: slaphappy]
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Philisophy is a concept, an idea, not a conclusion. Indeed, ther are people who take for granted everythung they hear. They do that mainly because they need to hide from CONFUSION.
I don't think this confusion is necessarily bad since it makes us think forward and generate questions which's answer require OTHER questions.
As for the existence of ONE absolute truth I highly doubt it since every single existence (seen or unseen) ahs it's own realyty, therefore it's own truth.
The greeks made the difference between senzorial truth and reliable truth which can be reached by the use of logics, prove, in a word rationalising.
The main problem here is that we're made of both rational and irational and that's where and why confusion occurs.
You can't explain "the unseen", "the unexplainable" in a logical formula, that's for matherial stuff. The "sense" must be transcended, felt, experinced.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Confusion. [Re: slaphappy]
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Is life a perpetual state of confusion and fear - or is it just me?

No it's not just you but that belief does put you in the "normal" section of humanity.

Confusion and fear is mostly a choice.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Confusion. [Re: Icelander]
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If you don't make that choice bliss is the default.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Confusion. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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:grin:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Confusion. [Re: Icelander]
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This forum post analyzes the different types of users found on Shroomery, categorizing them into four groups: People of Light, People of Dark, Grey People, and The Clear. The Light are positive, seeking genuine connections and sharing wisdom, while the Dark are young males seeking thrills through negativity and disruption. Grey People are neutral, balancing both Light and Dark behaviors, and The Clear remain detached observers, providing wisdom but rarely engaging. The author argues that Light and Clear can bring order, but neither is inclined to do so, leaving the forum divided and chaotic.

thanks slaphappy that was fun to read

recently i have pondered writing something similar
depicting the various modes and types of interactions at shroomery


you did a great job
group consciousness is very complicated
especically with so many strangers of different ages


i'll tell you the way i see it, here at shroomery

there are 4 types of persons:
1. The Light
2. The Dark
3. The Grey
4. The Clear

1. People of Light are positive, they want to share and give & take.
They want to feel good and find entertainment here.
And ultimately what people are reaching for is honest healthy relationships with others in an online community.
People of the Light want to be seen, they want to be known, they want to give and be accepted, and they generally like other people, and they are tolerant of those who hate them (people of the light never hate anyone, they just might act like it sometimes, on a bad day)
Joy is linked to interpersonal interaction.
We all have fun things inside of us to share, but the Joy in them will always remain stale without a sympathizer, a friend who is interested in sparking that Joy with you.

The People of the Light bring with them powerful offerings of Truth & Wisdom. They bring unfettered Love and Healing for all to see.
These aren't egocentric bi-polar junky freaks. They are genius artists, and beautiful lovers, and Good on the inside.

The People of Light are usually Individuals, Odd Pillars that stand out, and tall. (sometimes cracked or graffiti, but still a marvel)
They constantly try to band together in Love, but things get in the way, and they get in the way for a reason. If a large band of the People of the Light were to emerge someplace online, it would strike a severe blow against The Liar. And this emergence is constantly kept squashed by the Grey.
The Dark has no power over the Light, but through it's constant influence within the Grey.
The Grey demands that both exist, both are valuable to create the space for Grey to poise its own existence.

2. The People of the Dark are usually young males age 19-28, usually single, or in dysfunctional relationships with family and friends.
They like to take, they come seeking to remedy their malcontent because they enjoy drugs(who doesn't?) and there is alot of thrills to be had at shroomery. They come here to take that in, it brings them pleasure.
The People of the Dark will also give.
But what they give is usually negative, an egotistical judgement, a disgusting picture that is supposed to be funny, or they will make observations or comments about things that don't even really intrest them, they just like to talk, and interrupt, and cause chaos.
All flamers & trolls are Dark People.
As i said, Dark People will give and take, but they don't share.
And when they give, it gives a feeling of them trying to cram it down your throat while they smugly smirk themselves at how cool they are.
Often they aren't even aware of the terrible quality of their disruptions, they really don't even know they are doing it sometimes.
Because the truth is, there is a force inherent to the Darkness that lends itself to get in the way of the transmission of Joy and Beauty, and Light.(unbeknownst to the perpetrator)
(in every instance, the darkness always rises trying to take over the light, to consume it and obliterate it, but every time it fails. on the message board there may be no sign of their failure, but it happens, during the day sometime in their real lives)
Dark People always form into little groups, and they work together to disrupt the patterns of the light, to black out the miracle.
And, they never actually realize what they are doing.
The Liar tempts them with a reward of a feeling of power, to write their nonsense cruelty as best they can, and then they all pat each other on the backs for what they've done, thinking it's cool. Thinking that their victim is indeed a moron, or fag, or whatever they are harassing him about.
The Dark People never actually know what is moving beneath the surface, they don't realize the full extent of their actions, they have no idea that they are just being pawns of the Darkness, to stop Joy & Peace.

The Light never hates the Dark, because the Light knows that they are just people who don't know what they're doing, they are ignorant or dysfunctional.
They ignore using time to learn new skills of communication, to enjoy the community more. They usually are just here for some instant gratification which comes in the form of dirty jokes, or stories of getting totally wasted on drugs. or maybe venting about how they hate jesus.

The Light & Dark do exist in a polarity, and most of the flaming going on is against the light.
True retards don't get flamed much, because they are in with the troll crowd.
And good people don't stoop down to that level to war with them, it's ridiculous to ever try, a waste of time which should be spent focused on beautiful things.
(The Light always tries to help dysfunctional people too, and sometimes helping them means stepping down to there level)
The Dark People are demonized, probably into computer porn, disrespecting women, like their mothers or sisters or daughters.
They are intensely egotistical but always deny the fact that they are.
They have alot of fear and doubt in them.
They never really notice if you expose the truth about who they are, because they don't really know who they are, they are sorta inbetween deciding who they are. This is what makes them such easy targets for The Liar to tempt them into buisness with him.

One thing that always gives away The Dark people-
They cannot negotiate.
They lack any true skills of Negotiation.
And they always will chose obliteration over negotiation.


3. The Grey People are not sided with the Light or Dark.
They are sort of neutral, they may exhibit both behaviors of Light or Dark, on and off as the energies move them.
Grey People think of themselves as down to earth by comparison to the light or dark extremes. they feel balanced.
but the whole time they are riding the fence, they are less brilliant than the Light, and less vicious as the Dark.
They are typically boring, average, trendy, common. nice enough, but not overly lovable either.
They form their own group, because the Light and Dark tend to avoid them. The Grey choose no sides. they see the extremities as nonsense, but what lies between, they look at the black and white, and they pull grey from it.
so the Grey People like to take from the black and white
but they only give to the Grey.

4. The Clear.
The Clear are totally neutral. they set outside the realm of grey or black & white. they just sit and watch it all pass by, never getting seriously involved with anything in particular, but enjoying most all of it nonetheless.
There is great wisdom in the Clear People too.
They are often genius, but instead of Art, it's Academics.
They are scholarly but not pompous about it.
They love to give, but not share.
The joy they get from giving is more than the joy from you taking it.
They aren't giving to be nice anyone really, they are giving to enjoy themselves.
They take but mostly like to keep it private what they take.
Clear people are semi-intelligent and mostly kinda square, normal, reserved, or conservative.
They love everything as much as they can, but they are kinda dysfunctional in their own way because they never fit in.

For example a great chemist might help someone with their project their working on.
And the person he helps says, "wow, thank you, you're the greatest, and so smart, i love you"
The chemist doesn't care, it doesn't motivate a friendship, it's not a splendid moment of joy for him.
He only helped the guy because it brought him personal satisfaction, he could care less about the boys project.
Love or affection doesn't motivate the Clear People, as it does the Light.
Clear people usually think light, dark, and clear are all kinda boring, that is why they never join a faction.


There is alot of confusion between the factions.
The only ones who can bring order are the Light or Clear.
But the Clear won't do it, they never get involved.
Clear People make the best moderaters, but you'll never find one motivated to become one, they don't care.
you'd have to beg them, then maybe they would, and you'd have a good one.
that is a problem, Light can't moderate because if it did, everyone would turn Light.
Dark can't moderate because they just don't think rationally.
Dark is least intelligent, and most forceful and brutal.
So Mods are always grey.


What type are you?

Edited by Telepylus (10/06/06 12:40 AM)

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Re: Confusion. [Re: Telepylus]
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All of your catagorizations are very general. I do not think that most people, being individuals, fit into such moralist, black and white patterns.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Confusion. [Re: Telepylus]
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Telepylus said:
What type are you?



I'm myself, and I transcend all limited conceptions of "type". :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Confusion. [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Telepylus said:
What type are you?



I'm myself, and I transcend all limited conceptions of "type". :mushroom2:



I choose to project my idea upon your person, instead of taking your idea of yourself as the truth. My idea is now influenced by the notion of "the four factions", as I am able to take into consideration some peoples ideas into my own, and reject others.

You are grey.

And a little light shines through, and darkness too.

And you are also clear, sometimes.

You might move into all the realms of these "types", fireworks_god, but IMHO claiming transcendation - is a dark shard from your deck of cards, and I cannot fathom another intention for it than pure self-importance. (self-importance which is what I am having to use now, in order to show you how I percieve you)

It is possible to use this persons idea about four different types of people and apply it to yourself, without gloating about being above or past it - or without waiting for your turn to utter that you don't care for the idea at all. (whats the point of that?)

I think the foundation of most people are light, but they get confused and endulge themselves in darkness(me, flaming you) - I think the grey and dark groups are constantly interchanging, meaning that they never have the same members but the members they have are passing from one side to another, they have to be grey at some point when turning themselves light from the dark, and vice versa.

The clear people are rare, because its not people at all. Its a moment of clarity.

I remember a saying: "There is no such thing as perfect people, only perfect moments." or something of the sort, meaning we all interchange, trading the good or bad or neutral spots, to make up this moment.

And this brings me back to confusion: This started with the idea of confusion, this thread now has so many ideas, its hard to pay attention anymore - but and because it is so big, it has so many meanings and intentions, it has turned itself into a fractal trace of, and from, practically nothing and the epitomize is practically everything we can think of and break down into logically dechipherable notions to intercommunicate Confusion.

The Liar wants us to sit on our asses discussing this instead of being what it is.  :confused:

Remember: This post is an example, not just a statement.  :smirk:


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