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Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment
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With people talking about the recent events in the middle east, i'm really surprised to see how many shroomerites are blatantly anti-semitic and anti-Israel.

I see people defending Hezbollah and Hamas. Claiming they are not terrorist organizations.

I see people shit talking Israel and accusing it to be a terror state.

I see people making inflammatory anti-semitic remarks.

goddamn, i would have never expected this from the shroomery.

Hezbollah has launched about 1000 missiles at civilian targets so far during this war. Hamas has facilitated many suicide bombings that have killed many innocent men, women, and children.

This whole conflict is in response to Hezbollah kidnapping Israeli soldiers and firing upon Israeli cities. If thats not an act of war, i dont know what is.

Its true Israel unfortunately kills civilians but there is a huge difference between intentionally targeting innocent people like Hezbolla and Hamas and killing civilians as a part of collateral damage when Israel strikes strategic and terrorist targets.

Lets also not forget how these terrorist group set up their bases and weapons stock piles in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. This is done intentionally so if Israel tries to hit these targets there would likely be civilian casualties causing negative publicity.

How else should Israel, a sovereign country, defend itself? Should it sit quietly while it is attacked day in and day out? How can you negotiate with someone that wants to kill you and take your land?

people say that these arab terrorist just want their own land but, thats just bullshit. Israel had pulled out of Gaza and designates the entire west bank for arab Israelis. The pure and simple truth is that these arab terrorist hate Jews and hate Israel and wont be satisfied until both are destroyed. they say so themselves and, whats worse is that most of the arab populous supports them. They follow a religion that supports violence and rewards the spilling of infidel blood.

These are the same people who celebrated in the streets when America was attacked on 9/11.

I just dont understand how some of my fellow shroomerites say some of the things they do. It really disgusts me.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
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Are you Jewish, just out of curiosity?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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yes i am.

Are you a nazi, just out of curiosity?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
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So Shroomerites aren't enlightened or glaringly different than the rest of Americans when it comes to racism? Surely you jest :wink:


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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while i agree with what you say i still can't help wonder WTF we're doing in lebanon right now :shrug:
fighting terror is all good but we're spending millions of $$$ to blast shacks and barren land... all that money would have been better spent on education!

showing the world that israel is bad ass and should not be fucked with is important but we used to do THAT by being smart... now we just bomb the fuck out of places from the air :smirk:

what's the point of this conflict?
will my army actualy manage to destry hizballa from the air?
should it obliterate bairut to make a point?
who's money is going to fix everything?
and what's the point again?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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xDuckYouSuckerx said:
Are you Jewish, just out of curiosity?


I'm not Jewish and I agree with pretty much everything he said.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Simisu]
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Simisu said:
while i agree with what you say i still can't help wonder WTF we're doing in lebanon right now :shrug:
fighting terror is all good but we're spending millions of $$$ to blast shacks and barren land... all that money would have been better spent on education!


What is your government supposed to do when Hezbollah (sp?) terrorists invade your country, kidnap your soldiers, and then launch missiles at you? :crazy:

(edited to fix grammar)


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Edited by matt (01/05/09 05:58 PM)

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Simisu]
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Israel is attacking Lebanon because they are just as much to blame as hezbollah. The Lebanese government has been harboring and supporting this terrorist group for decades and hasn't taken any steps to disarm them.

I havent seen any bombing of shacks and barren land, but i have seen bombing of terrorist bunkers, and missile stock piles.

The point of the conflict?
well how about gettin Israeli soldiers back? What it had been your brother or your neighbor?
How about crippling Hezbollah once and for all and forcing Lebanon to actually take control of their country instead of letting it be run by a bunch of militant terrorist.
and the conflict is also a powerful message to others who would attack Israel. now people know there will be a swift and powerful response to the attack of the Israeli state.

the destruction of Beirut? come on, this is a war. Its a major hezbollah area of operation. the point of a war is not to worry about if some popular night clubs are going to be shut down, its to win.

Why from the air? well any military commander will tell you that where you'll always start. Destroy as many targets you can from the air. this limits the amount of Israeli soldiers that would die on the ground. plus the last thing Israel wants to do is occupy Lebanon so its not going to send in ground troops if it can be avoided.

I'll close with this.

If tomorrow, all the arabs destroyed their weapons and stopped fighting Israel, they would be peace in the middle east. Yet if Israel threw all of its weapons into the sea, there would be another holocaust.

and btw, xDuckYouSuckerx, i answered your question but, you havent answered mine?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
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It's pretty simple actually.

Most people who are into the "drug culture" lean toward the Left-Wing of the political spectrum. One of the hallmarks of the extreme Left-Wing is the hatred of the strong and the love of the weak. Corporations are bad...small mom and pom stores are good. White people are bad....black people are oppressed victims. Israel (with its powerful and modern military) is bad....and all Arab militia movements (with low-tech weapons) are good. etc.. etc..

They have an unreasonable and misguided love of the "underdog" in every situation.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
It's pretty simple actually.

Most people who are into the "drug culture" lean toward the Left-Wing of the political spectrum. One of the hallmarks of the extreme Left-Wing is the hatred of the strong and the love of the weak. Corporations are bad...small mom and pom stores are good. White people are bad....black people are oppressed victims. Israel (with its powerful and modern military) is bad....and all Arab militia movements (with low-tech weapons) are good. etc.. etc..

They have an unreasonable and misguided love of the "underdog" in every situation.


I think he pretty much summed up your questions here. great post.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Afroshroomerican]
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its kind of hard for me to form an opinion, if i had to choose i would say both sides are retarded for not being able to come to a resolution after like 60 years.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
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I have nothing against Israel or Jewish people but it seems crazy to get this many people killed over two soldiers. It's like losing 2 dollars and spending 50 to get it back.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: truekimbo2]
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truekimbo2 said:
its kind of hard for me to form an opinion, if i had to choose i would say both sides are retarded for not being able to come to a resolution after like 60 years.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

How much brainwashing is happening on both sides,
everyone thinks they are right, information is filtered and we only absorb what supports our illusions & misconceptions.


Trav said:
I have nothing against Israel or Jewish people but it seems crazy to get this many people killed over two soldiers.  It's like losing 2 dollars and spending 50 to get it back.


It's just a convenient opportunity to clean house


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
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First of all: I'm not the Shroomery, nor do I speak for all of our members.

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I see people defending Hezbollah and Hamas. Claiming they are not terrorist organizations.


So? It is hard to define the difference between terrorists, freedom fighters and resistance. Thats not anti-semitic, or even anti-israel. The same can be said of the IRA/Sinn Fein and nobody would call that anti-christian or anti-british.

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I see people shit talking Israel and accusing it to be a terror state.


Whoa, whoa, whoa there for a minute! It is perfectly acceptable to talk shit about Israel, and accusations of it being a terror state. Look at how the USA is reviewed by some. I for one believe that both the USA and Israel are being ran by a government that qualifies as a rogue nation. I in part base this on the fact that both nations shove the UN and the Geneva Convention aside like it's nothing if it suits their needs.

This morning, on the news, I saw a Fuel Air Explosive come down and incompletely detonate. That in itself without any additional considerations qualifies as use of a chemical weapon. I've seen photos of the aftermath of a napalm bomb attack on a freeway full of cars full of fleeing people.

Wow man, stop for a minute. Dropping NAPALM over a road full of people? Napalm/incendiary gel itself is considered a chemical weapon, let alone if its used like this, as a means to kill helpless unarmed refugees in a raging inferno.

Hezbollah, morally corrupt as they are, have yet to use chemical weapons.

So, calling any nation terrorist is acceptable in democratic debate, and in the light of Israel's recent actions it's a likely conclusion, whether that is correct or not.

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I see people making inflammatory anti-semitic remarks.


Now in those cases you should blow the whistle and let a local moderator sort it out. We try to catch such instances (the Shroomery is all sorts of people after all) but we cannot catch them all. If you see such a post, blow the whistle on it by pressing the whistle at the bottom of the offending post, and in detail filling in the box where you state your reason to submit said post to moderator scrutiny.

The rest of your post consists of political opinion, but I decided to at least give my view on your position of antisemitism and the Shroomery.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Asante]
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good post :thumbup:

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
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With people talking about the recent events in the middle east, i'm really surprised to see how many shroomerites are blatantly anti-semitic and anti-Israel.


I am anti-Israel, but I am not anti-semitic. Stealing others' land and engaging in ethnic cleansing because the Jews consider themselves the "Chosen Ones" while everyone else is inferior is disgusting. Zionism is parallel with Nazism.

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I see people defending Hezbollah and Hamas. Claiming they are not terrorist organizations.


Where? Hezbollah and Hamas engage in terror and so does Israel.

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I see people shit talking Israel and accusing it to be a terror state.


Good.

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I see people making inflammatory anti-semitic remarks.


Where? Links?

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Hezbollah has launched about 1000 missiles at civilian targets so far during this war. Hamas has facilitated many suicide bombings that have killed many innocent men, women, and children.


And Israel does not have blood on its hands? 200 dead Lebanese civilians since July 12th. How many dead Israelis? About 6, right?

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This whole conflict is in response to Hezbollah kidnapping Israeli soldiers and firing upon Israeli cities. If thats not an act of war, i dont know what is.


Target Hezbollah, then. Israel is collectively punishing the entire population of Lebanon. How is this supposed to create peace?

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Its true Israel unfortunately kills civilians but there is a huge difference between intentionally targeting innocent people like Hezbolla and Hamas and killing civilians as a part of collateral damage when Israel strikes strategic and terrorist targets.


Oh, bullshit. When Israel repeatedly kills innocent civilians (and they certainly have), there is no longer an excuse. They are killing civilians on purpose or either they are apathetic to the murder.

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Lets also not forget how these terrorist group set up their bases and weapons stock piles in apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. This is done intentionally so if Israel tries to hit these targets there would likely be civilian casualties causing negative publicity.


So, then send in commandos to raid these areas and root out the terrorists...not bomb the entire city and kill everyone. What the fuck is wrong with you Zionists?

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How else should Israel, a sovereign country, defend itself? Should it sit quietly while it is attacked day in and day out? How can you negotiate with someone that wants to kill you and take your land?


Strategic military campaigns that are concerned with precision. If there is a tumor on your leg, you surgically go in and remove the tumor not cut off the leg. Oh, and how about trading prisoners?

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people say that these arab terrorist just want their own land but, thats just bullshit. Israel had pulled out of Gaza and designates the entire west bank for arab Israelis. The pure and simple truth is that these arab terrorist hate Jews and hate Israel and wont be satisfied until both are destroyed. they say so themselves and, whats worse is that most of the arab populous supports them. They follow a religion that supports violence and rewards the spilling of infidel blood.


And how is bombing an entire population going to help? How about pulling back the 1967 borders, engaging in diplomacy, helping the Palestinians build up their economy, ceasing the ethnic cleansing policies that Israel uses against the Palestinians, and carefully removing the terrorist organizations?

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I just dont understand how some of my fellow shroomerites say some of the things they do. It really disgusts me.


Your support of Israel disgusts me.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
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Normally, I'd point out the ridiculousness of saying that anti-zionism and criticism of Israel amount to anti-semitism. However, lately I have noticed a couple people who actually have expressed anti-semitic sentiments. Some of those same people have also expressed racist ideas about blacks and other races. The Shroomery has had racists before, but usually they make a lot of noise and get banned quickly. This time, they seem to be keeping a lower profile, and while I strongly disagree with their views, I commend them for being more civil this time around.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
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Heres the deal. Israel does everything wrong in the quest for peace, they sit on their fucking high horse, which was built by the US government, and look down on the arab nations. They feel the same stupid and savage hate for muslims as they muslim feel for them, they are at heart, the same people. I thought Israel was supposed to be one of those "civilized, democractic, peace loving nations"

They are both foolish in what they do, every person killed on either side is a fucking tragedy, everyone who has any hate in themselves within that entire region, really needs to pull their heads out of their asses, but its never going to happen. They will continue to murder, bomb, and whatever else they take pleasure in doing.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong?

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
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If Israel cared about getting those soldiers back, they would march into Lebanon and take them back.

Do they expect one of those bombs they've been dropping is going to transform into a magic carpet which will sweep the two guys back to Israel?

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
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It's funny how people refer to anti-Jewish/Zionism as "Anti-Semetism" As if the people from Lebanon are from a vastly different tribe or something. Like when the Egyptian leader was in DC and someone questions his statement relating to the accuracy of the numbers of people 'executed' in the Holocaust™, he was then called an "Anti-Semite". He said "how can I be anti-semetic, I am a semite". Of course, the Jews have all but copyrighted that label as a way to extort money from people.

If you jews want your own exclusive race/nation, hey, thats not a problem with me. I personally would prefer an all-White America. But I don't see the why, (actually, I see perfectly clearly why) America is kissing Zionist ass all of the time.

This "conflict" shows that Israel has no problem "defending itself" (by defending itself, I of course mean bombing bridges,infrastructure, civilian targets and invading a soverign nation), so I see no need for America to offer our support of Israel any longer. Let these tribes war it out as they have for thousands of years. It's not our business.


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