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I just want to apologize
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Sometimes I feel I'd be better off taking a break from this forum. I find that my ego gets too attached to some of these debates, and that obviously has negative ramifications for my spiritual development. I really do enjoy the insights every here brings to the table, but the clash of egos just gets to be so draining. Sometimes I find the best thing I can do is just get up and leave the debate and let the other side think they've won, because sometimes winning just isn't worth it. I just want you guys to know that I don't hold a grudge against anyone, and wish for nothing more than to make peace with everyone.


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Re: I just want to apologize [Re: Silversoul]
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When debating, keep the emotions out of it - UNLESS you are debating about emotions....  :wink:

Question:  When you "win" a debate, what do you win....?   
Answer:  Nothing....
Why would you want/allow your ego to hold on so tightly to, nothing...?


>^;;^<


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"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
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Re: I just want to apologize [Re: Silversoul]
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I don't understand why you're apologizing...

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Re: I just want to apologize [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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MushmanTheManic said:
I don't understand why you're apologizing...


Because I've let my ego get the best of me.


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Re: I just want to apologize [Re: Silversoul]
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i just happened to be reading an old thread today and came accross some of your old posts and realized how different you were. i mention this because i was recently reading some of my old posts on another forum which i posted on when i was an atheist and i couldn't believe how judgemental, ignorant and just plain offensive i was. so essentially, it's rather hypocritical for me to allow my ego to be bruised by people who do the exact same things i did for years. for example, diploid actually reminds me quite of bit of myself when i was an atheist (note: im not saying diploid is offensive, he reminds me of myself because i was fond of using the exact same type arguments he often uses). i think the frustration lies in not being able to commincate what is was that caused people like you and me to change and thus being forced under the label of irrational, which we used to try to peg on other people. we dont like this label because when we look at ourselves we dont think ''oh well i used to be rational but im not anymore'', instead we simply see stages of pesonal development. i hope that made some kind of sense.

Edited by Deviate (05/08/06 03:18 AM)

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Re: I just want to apologize [Re: Deviate]
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let us say that when you apologise, you bring both extremes of behavior together.
the solicitous apology with the aggressive opposition.
by trying to integrate the two into one way of going
you make a transformation that sustains itself.

(then you neither seem fake solicitous, nor bitchy and barky)

the practice of awareness is the mix of reflecting with doing, this practice is an endless braiding of high and low, which is IMO the essence of spiritual work. so no blame for either apology or argument.


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Re: I just want to apologize [Re: Deviate]
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I've found that there's few things people hate more than their former self.


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Re: I just want to apologize [Re: Silversoul]
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quit trying to steal my job!

:lol:

ahhh, I'm just kiddin, you're alright

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Re: I just want to apologize [Re: Silversoul]
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I appreciate anyone who can apologise, if it's sincere.

I have to ask, what do you mean by this statement?

Sometimes I find the best thing I can do is just get up and leave the debate and let the other side think they've won, because sometimes winning just isn't worth it.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: I just want to apologize [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I have to ask, what do you mean by this statement?

Sometimes I find the best thing I can do is just get up and leave the debate and let the other side think they've won, because sometimes winning just isn't worth it.


What I mean is that in my desire to get my point across, my ego gets too attached to that point, and I get angry or flustered. That's when I find it's best to just walk away.


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Re: I just want to apologize [Re: Silversoul]
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That's good enough. But may I suggest respectfully that you continue on with the debate while just noticing what your ego is going through and how it is striving for safety. (I am saying this to myself also as I have this problem). If I do not judge the actions of my ego defenses as good or bad sometimes I can gain an awareness of my false security systems at work, without continuing to defend them, and then I can enter into a logical dialog with myself and challenge those negative belief systems. Over time, hit and miss, this has effected some change in me and I am less driven to defend myself to extremes (believe it or not I used to be worse :grin:) These debates are very useful in this way. It's good to stay in and see it through.

The Universe asks just one thing of us. " How much can you take"   :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: I just want to apologize [Re: Silversoul]
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How much can you give ?

Silver, I feel you. If you see something wrong, just don't accept it and take a challenge :heart:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: I just want to apologize [Re: Silversoul]
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Personally, I think you're being far too hard on yourself. Especially since your beliefs appear to be derived from subjective/personal 'religious' experiences. It was you who experienced them, no? Personal experiences require personal explanations.

I watch out for scholarly grime that zealously attach their ego to objective philosophies or empiric observations.

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Re: I just want to apologize [Re: Silversoul]
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What I mean is that in my desire to get my point across, my ego gets too attached to that point, and I get angry or flustered. That's when I find it's best to just walk away.

Aww man, don't get upset and leave a discussion. We're all friends here. Besides, lots of things you say are worthwhile reading. You haven't changed my mind (yet) but you do make me think.

Like you used to say: "Chill the fuck out". :heart:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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