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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Sinbad]
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I react when offended, like most everyone else. I have spent enough time being a doormat for people, but I try not to over-react to people and I do not cultivate disrespect, condescension, or a patronizing attitude. I may speak confidently on a subject in which I am steeped, but I do not attempt to claim superiority, which is simple arrogance.

We can agree to disagree about Trungpa. I consider Lama Anagarika Govinda to be an important teacher of mine - one whom I briefly corresponded with (I based my dissertation on his book The Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism). This work had a profound effect on my life and I have tremendous respect for this man's work and its ability to explain Kargyutpa doctrine to me. Yet...I respect him as a great teacher without the metaphysical projections, and I further respect his long marriage to his wife Li Gotami, which showed me many years ago that I didn't have to become a celibate monastic in order to maintain a mystic lifestyle. Thought I'd elucidate my position for the sake of clarity.

Fin.

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: MOTH]
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"If you've gotten to this point on your path, would you mind sharing where you were when you first started?"

Where I started? I was 33, an alcoholic (5 case per week), had a severe anger problem, and I had a real persecution complex. I am now 41, but I mostly got over myself by the time I was 35. I was forced by my alcohol recovery to accept the self unconditionally. It was the only way I forgive myself for all the drama I had engaged myself and others in. It wasn't easy...but is was a requisite to survival in my case.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: porcupine]
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Yes I am smoking it. My exercises are visualizations that require multi-stimulus. My favorite is peeling a large naval orange and noticing every nuance of it's smell, feel, and taste. This is an exercise that once it is repeated many times becomes second nature. Once I have acheived complete mastery I will try to use the skill to create alternate realities. It is like learning to lucid dream, but one is awake. Salvia is tricky because it can take you so far from the consensual reality you forget where you are.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
"If you've gotten to this point on your path, would you mind sharing where you were when you first started?"

Where I started? I was 33, an alcoholic (5 case per week), had a severe anger problem, and I had a real persecution complex. I am now 41, but I mostly got over myself by the time I was 35. I was forced by my alcohol recovery to accept the self unconditionally. It was the only way I forgive myself for all the drama I had engaged myself and others in. It wasn't easy...but is was a requisite to survival in my case.


Thanks for sharing...I do appreciate it and consider you inspiring.

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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you already do create alternate realities

that is less of a goal than a drawback


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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: redgreenvines]
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To Hue>> I think that you are no longer experiencing "ego death" because you have simply created a "new ego", one based on the psychedelic destruction of the mental pardigm that made up your "old ego". And so your identity has now been founded in a kind of anti-identity which does nothing with the ego but transform it.

Replacing one addiction with another is not overcoming the addiction (I'm sure you know that).

At first the novelty of the psychedelic experience was enough to shake you from your familiar life and give you a sense of change and growth. But as Ayne Rand said, "Familiarity breeds contempt". The novelty has slowly given way to familiarity, and each trip is no longer a shattering of an old ego, but instead an entrenchment of a new one.




as for Markos and Sinbad, why don't you guys take your personalisms into PM and quit cluttering the board with your game of wits.

Everyone is a teacher, and sometimes the lessons we learn are from a teachers' follies rather than their perfections. If a person's teaching's do not reflect their lives then it is hypocrisy. And if attitudes and obstensibly opposing lifestyles can coexist in one person then what does that tell us about the viability of those beliefs?


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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: dr0mni]
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as for Markos and Sinbad, why don't you guys take your personalisms into PM and quit cluttering the board with your game of wits

because if they did that, we wouldn't be able to read them. i agree its generally impolite to "hijack" a thread as they say, but i personally like reading everything. there is often something to be learned.

Edited by Deviate (03/18/06 01:08 AM)

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: dr0mni]
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The way i see it, if our teachers were perfect, then we would make the mistake of looking for perfection outside of ourselves, when the true perfection lies only in our own nature. The reason teachers sometimes behave in strange ways is to cut through the "Holy" concepts that many westerners have about them, so that they wont become dependent upon the teacher and as a result look outside there own nature for perfection.

Its like that old zen saying. "If you meet the Buddha on the road, Kill the Buddha!"

Now dont take this statement literally guys :lol:

Hue >> I apologize for highjacking your thread like that. I was thinking you might have something to say on the subject as you have experience with Shambala and Trungpa's teachings.


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Edited by Sinbad (03/18/06 05:59 AM)

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: dr0mni]
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dr0mni said:
The novelty has slowly given way to familiarity, and each trip is no longer a shattering of an old ego, but instead an entrenchment of a new one.


None of which demonstrates why exactly this is a detriment to oneself and is not preferred. When one's old, dilapidated, ineffective house is torn down and consciously, purposefully rebuilt to fufill the preferences and needs that one requires of that house, where is the sense in continuing to destroy one's  house?

If one's sense of self is structured to remain open and conducive to new experience, and to, in effect, be transparent, then there is no sense in attempting to transcend it or escape it in order to obtain some other state. It is a senseless struggle to strive to reinvent the diamond.

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: fireworks_god]
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of course, if one is happy with their new identity/ego then they should just leave it. We will never be able to escape from a reality constructed out of past experience until we die. So striving for continuous ego death can just be another kind of addiction/distraction.

I'm reminded of the entertainment industries constant stuggle to be "Edgier" than before, and how it has not produced innovations, but rather mediocrity.

(I'm not saying that any of this applies to you directly Hue, I'm just speculating at your situation)


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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: dr0mni]
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i say we all get together, get some boxing gloves, and beat whatever egos we have out of each other.

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: fresh313]
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ooh blood
ego blood
yummmy


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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: dr0mni]
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"To Hue>> I think that you are no longer experiencing "ego death" because you have simply created a "new ego", one based on the psychedelic destruction of the mental pardigm that made up your "old ego". And so your identity has now been founded in a kind of anti-identity which does nothing with the ego but transform it.

Replacing one addiction with another is not overcoming the addiction (I'm sure you know that)."

Shit, I know it...but I can dream... Now I gotta think of new ways to twist myself....the old one's don't work anymore...


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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In truth... I seem to be much happier these days. I get over myself so much more quickly. Age has a lot to do with this as well I am sure.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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When I ingest a psychedelic substance I no longer experience what is known as "ego death".

Suggestion: try adding nitrous oxide during the peak of your usual trip routine. You'll find it will smack you right back to square one with the so-called ego death (and maybe a few other things you haven't experienced yet) as if you were tripping for the first time.

PM me if you want details on how to get it and how to do it safely.

Warning: respect it, it's intense.  :mushroom2:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Diploid]
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I am familiar with this technique.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: Sinbad]
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:grin: AHHHHH! It is indeed good to see P&S is still consumed with the proselyzation of individual or similar groups of individuals arguing the subjective experience of their own spiritual expression , as if to asssume the more correctness of their interpretation over anothers. When each is indeed ones own ,can one compare? or can one compare only the subjectivley resonating concepts of others? This is indeed the futility of "group" spirituality or spirituality based upon any objective object such as written or spoken words.Spirtuality IS! and that is all that we hold in common or spirituality is not then there is no ground for discussion of it. Expression or experience or interpretation will forever be a subjective and intimate experience and not one which will ever be a common ground,ie; we are all correct in our individual spirituality and all incorrect in apllying it to groups. I qualify this by it being my subjective interpretation of the discord in spiritual expression as I interpret it :wink:
WR


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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
I sometimes yearn for another profound 'peak' experience, but (as I read in Dion Fortune's 'The Mystical Qabalah' today), one must be prepared NOT to return, and I said that I was not ready to die just yet. Does this clarify my intention any better?



warning i havent read any posts except a f ew on this (3rd page) and dunno how old this post might be. this caught my eye as it reminded me of the bible. "one must be prepared NOT to return" compare: king james bible Revelation 20[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

death and hell, destroyed, so, staying in christ consciousness? the "second Death" is refered to in other places in revelation too. does that mean the first death is like, non-permanent and thus capable of occurring infinite times. i for some reason cant stay enlightened. i guess ihave to practice more

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: sleepy]
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I think we can read our own meanings into the myhos of Biblical authors. Just what those authors had in mind is open to interpretation. Personally, I do NOT believe they were referring to historical events, but mythic movements described as historical events. It is 'cosmic time' which is described in pretty much all scriptures, but in the historical religions there is tremendous confusion because geography is named (often incorrectly) misleading Literalist people into confounding actual historical events past and future with mythic or metaphysical suppositions. First and second deaths correspond to born and born-again. One refers to physical existence, the second (birth and death) to the spiritual existence.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: No More Ego Death [Re: whiterasta]
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Quote:
AHHHHH! It is indeed good to see P&S is still consumed with the proselyzation of individual or similar groups of individuals arguing the subjective experience of their own spiritual expression , as if to asssume the more correctness of their interpretation over anothers. When each is indeed ones own ,can one compare? or can one compare only the subjectivley resonating concepts of others? This is indeed the futility of "group" spirituality or spirituality based upon any objective object such as written or spoken words.Spirtuality IS! and that is all that we hold in common or spirituality is not then there is no ground for discussion of it. Expression or experience or interpretation will forever be a subjective and intimate experience and not one which will ever be a common ground,ie; we are all correct in our individual spirituality and all incorrect in apllying it to groups. I qualify this by it being my subjective interpretation of the discord in spiritual expression as I interpret it
WR




Finally.

Adult supervision!  :royalrainbow:


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“The crisis takes a much longer time coming than you think, and then it happens much faster than you would have thought.”  -- Rudiger Dornbusch

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