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Re: Religious Freedom? - Could someone explain this one to me? [Re: Phluck]
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Phluck said:
SirTripAlot said:
JUST BECAUSE A DEFINITE MINORITY OF CHRISTIANS ACCEPT GAY MARRIAGE, DOES NOT MEAN IT REPRESENTS IT AS A WHOLE.


Who the hell said it does?


The bible

Phluck said:
A significant percentage of christians accept it. Of course the entire christian community doesn't.

But there is no official christian position on it. No such thing exists.


Of course it does, it's called the bible.

Phluck said:
The holy trinity isn't some piddly little thing, it's the essence of what the entire religion is about. What I'm saying is that Christians don't agree on that, if they can't agree on that, then obviously you can't say that there are things about Christianity that are definite.

You seem to think that once a big percentage of Christians believe something, then it becomes officially Christian. This would mean that every single small christian church with a unique belief is not Christian, because they have some unique beliefs that the vast majority of Christians (more than those that are opposed to gay marriage) don't agree with.


This is generally held to be true among christians. If you don't believe in the bible then you aren't a christian.

Why anyone would want to be christian is beyond me anyway.


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Re: Religious Freedom? - Could someone explain this one to me? [Re: Ekstaza]
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This is all a nice bunch of screeching but whether any church recognizes a marriage is of relevance only to those who choose to join that particular club. The only marriage sanctioning bodies of any import whatsoever is the US government and the governments of the various states. What the Baptist council, or any other Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu etc. group, says about gay marriage doesn't mean a fucking thing to me or anybody else not a member of their particular cult. They can jump up and down and hold their breath if they want but if the government recognizes gay marriage then there will be gay marriage. The rest are just blowhards.


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Re: Religious Freedom? - Could someone explain this one to me? [Re: zappaisgod]
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:thumbup:

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Re: Religious Freedom? - Could someone explain this one to me? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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who cares what the bible says about gay marriage? gay people could go down to city hall and get their marriage certicicates, without ever setting foot in a church. thats totally religion free, so now what problem would you have with gay marriage? Christians should stop acting like marriage is something that belongs to them. christians did not invent the idea of marriage.

What if two gay atheists want to be 'married'? Is that ok since neither of them care about god anyway? why would it be wrong for them to signify their union with marriage, because you're religion thinks it's wrong? That's just stupid as fuck imo. Christians have no right to impose their will and their morales on me or anyone else, especially if i don't believe in their god.

If i want to get married and i'm a satan worshipper, i'm going to do it, and theres nothing anyone can do about it because this is america, and christians don't get to decide who is worthy of marriage and who isn't.

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Re: Religious Freedom? - Could someone explain this one to me? [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
The only thing necessary to be a Christian is the belief that Jesus is the son of God.


Actually, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, which can mean many things to different people.


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Re: Religious Freedom? - Could someone explain this one to me? [Re: Silversoul]
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What's the difference between what I said and what you said? I'm not being facetious, I just have a very limited knowledge of Christianity.

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Re: Religious Freedom? - Could someone explain this one to me? [Re: Ekstaza]
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Ekstaza: Believing in the Bible does not necessarily mean taking it literally. Plus, the Bible in its current form didn't exist until centuries after the death of Jesus. The Bible did not become the be-all and end-all of Christianity until the Catholic and Orthodox churches consolidated their power. Many early Christians followed the life and teachings of Jesus, but did not use the Bible to guide their beliefs.


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Re: Religious Freedom? - Could someone explain this one to me? [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
What's the difference between what I said and what you said? I'm not being facetious, I just have a very limited knowledge of Christianity.


"Christ" means "anointed one." To some, this could mean that he was God's only son. To others(particularly gnostics), it could mean that he attained Christ consciousness. Still others might argue that it means he is the Jewish messiah. There are probably several other interpretations I forgot to mention.


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Re: Religious Freedom? - Could someone explain this one to me? [Re: Silversoul]
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:thumbup:

Thanks.

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Re: Religious Freedom? - Could someone explain this one to me? [Re: Silversoul]
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Paradigm said:
Ekstaza: Believing in the Bible does not necessarily mean taking it literally. Plus, the Bible in its current form didn't exist until centuries after the death of Jesus. The Bible did not become the be-all and end-all of Christianity until the Catholic and Orthodox churches consolidated their power. Many early Christians followed the life and teachings of Jesus, but did not use the Bible to guide their beliefs.


Cool. I was just going on the versions of christianity that I've been exposed to. I am from the South East after all. It does, however, give me more ammo for argument, that if the bible is the word of god, and god is infallible, then how can the bible be wrong? Any part of it?

Then again, this aspect of this discussion should really be taken up in the religion forum.


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