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Testing religious freedom in America
    #2107947 - 11/15/03 12:20 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Could the Church of Satan put up a billboard advertising their religion the way Christians do? What about an atheist billboard? Or do you think, as I do, that angry, hypocritical, right-wing Christians would protest and demand that the billboards be removed, and that the government would comply?


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Re: Testing religious freedom in America [Re: silversoul7]
    #2107964 - 11/15/03 12:27 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe we could get a judge to put some satanic writings in his court.

If it wasn;t on public property or obscene I don't see what anyone could do. The Darwin fish on bumpers is sort of an athiest billboard.


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Re: Testing religious freedom in America [Re: silversoul7]
    #2108094 - 11/15/03 01:22 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

They would for sure say the Satan stuff is hate litterature. Other than the already mentioned Darwin fish I can't think of what an athiest might put up.


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Re: Testing religious freedom in America [Re: silversoul7]
    #2108130 - 11/15/03 01:39 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I see no reason why the church of satan couldn't do that. I am a Christian and while I may not like what they stand for I do defend their right to speak freely. I am sure many people would complain, but that doesn't change the fact that that billboard is not only legal, but protected.


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Re: Testing religious freedom in America [Re: silversoul7]
    #2109788 - 11/15/03 08:34 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

My guess is that people would definately complain, but if it went to court, I'm pretty sure they'd win.

Unless the billboard was a direct attack upon another religion... I'm not sure what the US hate laws are like.


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Re: Testing religious freedom in America [Re: silversoul7]
    #2109793 - 11/15/03 08:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

It would be up to the people that own the billboards, not the government.


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Re: Testing religious freedom in America [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2113767 - 11/17/03 01:26 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I remember seeing something on television showing the KKK putting up their crosses somewhere in public and it was protected by freedom of speech so I see no reason why an atheist group couldn't advertise their belief while being protected by freedom of speech.


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Re: Testing religious freedom in America [Re: silversoul7]
    #2113990 - 11/17/03 02:18 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I'm sure it's legal, however few people have the berries to shamelessly piss off alot of people.


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Re: Testing religious freedom in America [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2116208 - 11/17/03 01:43 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, it would be a matter between private citizens. (I.E. the people who own the land and/or billboard, and those who were offended), so I don't think the Goverment could be involved.
Having said that, I read somewhere that the Army provides Church of Satan Chaplains for those who follow said Church.


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Re: Testing religious freedom in America [Re: Le_Canard]
    #2124654 - 11/20/03 10:56 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I've seen signs for Satanistic beliefs, and it was in Raleigh NC.


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Re: Testing religious freedom in America [Re: silversoul7]
    #2124738 - 11/20/03 11:41 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

the government would not take the billboards down unless they violated some kind of law deemed by the courts to be consistant with the 1st ammendment.

if the board contained no "obscenity" or anything, they couldn't take it down.

citizens could pressure the billboard company to remove it, and maybe they would comply, but that's different.


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Re: Testing religious freedom in America [Re: silversoul7]
    #2124913 - 11/20/03 01:17 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
Could the Church of Satan put up a billboard advertising their religion the way Christians do?




Bulletin boards are usually put up on private property with the owner either securing contracts for advertisment, or a company he has representing 'his' billboards finding the sponsors of said billboards. The "way" that Christians do their billboard advertisment is to find a renter of billboards and pay them to advertise. Could the COS do the same? Certainly. Would the owner be required to accept their offer of renting? Of course not.

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What about an atheist billboard?





Refer to previous answer.

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Or do you think, as I do, that angry, hypocritical, right-wing Christians would protest and demand that the billboards be removed, and that the government would comply?




How, exactly, would the government regulate this? Lets say hypothetically that the government owned a plot of land, lets say along side a highway, and they decided to increase revenue by renting out bulletin boards there. If they were offered a rent by the COS, or another group that might not be considered 'mainstream', they would be required by law to accept it (if they had done the same for other religious organizations). Now, lets say that the majority of the people in that municipality wanted the offensive material removed. They could bring it up at a meeting, orchestrate a vote for it, and if the vote showed that the majority of the people didn't wnt it, well then, it would go. It wouldn't be due to the reasons that your narrow mind produced, it would be because of a democratic vote. Since I've never heard of this ever happening (a government recieving revenue by renting billboards), it's an entirely moot point.

Now, option two. Lets say that the land was owned by a Christian, god-fearing farmer. It is his land, and the bulletin board (if their wasn't a contract stating otherwise) is his property and his revenue-making idea. If he wants to put up a sign saying "Jesus Cunt", he is more than welcome. If he wants to refuse to put up anything that he finds against his moral code, well, it's his land.

Your statement and question pertaining to it are incredibly flawed. You obviously have the viewpoint of a radical but lack the requisite intellgence and logic to make vaild points. The COS, or any group for that matter, is more than welcome to advertise their religion or beliefs any place that will accept them. The government has no involvement in this. If a private company (such as a TV station, a land owner, a radio owner, etc) decides that they don't want this, they have no mandate to do so. Would you like it better if the government forced private citizens to put up these billboards on their private property against their will?



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Re: Testing religious freedom in America [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2125214 - 11/20/03 03:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

How, exactly, would the government regulate this?

by expanding the definition of "obscenity" to include speech in support of satanic beliefs. such a thing would never fly.


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Re: Testing religious freedom in America [Re: silversoul7]
    #2128440 - 11/21/03 11:54 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

angry, hypocritical, right-wing Christians can go to hell with the rest of us.


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