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Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians
    #508358 - 01/03/02 12:12 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I guess the democrats don't want any christians to vote for them. I guess they want to further alienate the christian vote. Democrats, open mouth, insert foot...

From The Washington Times, 01/02/2002:
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Democrats, in the name of tolerance, plan to demonize conservative Christians as being like the Taliban, according to an article in Newsweek.



The rest of the story can be found here:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/inpolitics.htm


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #508485 - 01/03/02 01:39 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

LOL. Well, it is about time. Conservative christians go out of their way to demonize us. It is about time someone turned that around and demonized them.
Does Jerry Falwell sound much different than Osama and his crazy group. Not really. The only difference seems to be our government doesn't allow him to kill all the infidels.


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: isis]
    #508610 - 01/03/02 03:42 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

isis,if you don't like conservative Christians that's ok with me. Your beliefs are your own business. But how on earth can this possibly benefit the DNC to try to make the beliefs of some Christians a political issue? How does it beneft anyone other than Christian churches in any way to persecute them? Churches have a way of getting stronger during periods of persecution and 'demonization.' I can see no political benefit what so ever in the attacking of evangelical Christians. It actually seems like political suicide to me for the 'Bible belt' vote. I'de think that the dems of all people would realize that state and church don't mix well. And political condemnation of a church is a risky strategy at best. Perhaps there's somthing about the issue I'm not understanding, if so, can you please enlighten me?

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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #508613 - 01/03/02 03:46 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I pray to God everyday (often more than once a day) in the name of Christ. (sometimes to stop you guys from starting all of the wars and LOWERING MY WAGES!!) You will disagree, but I do consider myself a Chistian.




AND I"M A FUCKING PROUD ASS BLEEDING HEART DEMACRAT!!!!!!!!!!!

You guys dont own God, the American Flag, the military, Christ, Golf, nor familys.... no matter how hard you try to convince us that you do.

So There!


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: Jammer]
    #508618 - 01/03/02 03:59 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Jammer, good, I'm glad you're religious. More people who are religious and considerate and loving of others the better. Sometimes I go several days without praying myself. You know, I never claimed to own God. I don't think any God fearing preacher would make such a bold claim. After all, we're all here by his providence, not ours. You can be a democrat and a liberal if you like, I didn't mean to debate anyones liberalness or corectness. I only brought up the subject of the dem strategy of demonizing Christians. I see such strategy as a grand folly myself. I have a hard time grasping how anyone could make a different decision regarding the strategy of 'demonizing Christians.' After all, the Romans, communists, and countless others have all made that same mistake and in persecution do the Christians grow stronger. Do you agree with the strategy or do you regard it as the DNC shooting itself in he foot? And if you agree with that tactic why do you? Thanks.

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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #508620 - 01/03/02 04:01 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I must admit.

I did not expect that responce.

I'll check back with ya later.

haha

PeAcE


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: Jammer]
    #508651 - 01/03/02 05:10 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I just realized that the link for the article I posted is no longer valid because the washington times online newspaper updates it's stories daily so I searched it's archives of the past 7 days and found the story. I have cut and pasted it below, sorry about the bum link... BTW this article is from ' The Washington Times in a column called 'News and political dispatches from around the nation' The date is Jan 2 2002 ( since I copied off net I don't have the page number.'


Jan 2. 2002
Inside Politics

Greg Pierce



News and political dispatches from around the nation.

Demonizing Christians
Democrats, in the name of tolerance, plan to demonize conservative Christians as being like the Taliban, according to an article in Newsweek.
Democrats "are planning a daring assault on the most critical turf in politics: the cultural mainstream," political correspondent Howard Fineman writes.
"The theory goes like this. Our enemy in Afghanistan is religious extremism and intolerance. It's therefore more important than ever to honor the ideals of tolerance ? religious, sexual, racial, reproductive ? at home. The GOP is out of the mainstream, some Democrats will argue [this] year, because it's too dependent upon an intolerant 'religious right,'" Mr. Fineman said.
"This is an incendiary battle plan ? essentially comparing the GOP right with the Taliban ? designed to draw an outraged response from the president. Then Democrats would have Bush just where they wanted him: in a firefight at home."



Greg Pierce can be reached at 202/636-3285 or by e-mail: gpierce@washingtontimes.com.



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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #508730 - 01/03/02 07:28 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The only reason Helms has been elected here so many times is that damn right wing Christian vote.

I say screw 'em. The DNC only wants the good Christian vote. We don't need the evil hypoChristian vote.

The religious right wingers always vote for the rascists anyway. I think most normal God loving Americans know that the Pat Robertsons of the world are not anything to emulate. I don't ven recognize those types as spiritual leaders. They are just shady politicians with an agenda that USE religion in very very bad way.


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: isis]
    #508833 - 01/03/02 12:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

***LOL. Well, it is about time. Conservative christians go out of their way to demonize us***

By not agreeing on a life style is not demonizing

****It is about time someone turned that around and demonized them. ****

chistians have been demonized for a very long time..what do you mean about time?

****Does Jerry Falwell sound much different than Osama and his crazy group****

Jerry Falwell is a moron and does not represent christians.....just his own church...besides jerry never killed anyone..Osama has..that is a rediculous statement...either that or just a bad analogy.

****The only difference seems to be our government doesn't allow him to kill all the infidels. ****

yep...just a rediculous statement from one who claims to be tolerant


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: Innvertigo]
    #508920 - 01/03/02 02:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Rail gun, I actually agree with you. It is not a good stragedy to win over the conservative vote. I don't hate conservatives. I actually have a number of friends that are very conservative. We just agree to disagree on a number of issues, but I still completely respect their views. I respect them and they respect me. So, I actually love a few very conservative christians. What I don't like is when people do not respect your views. I respect your right to be as conservative as people were in the 1800's as long as you respect my right not to be.
Do you think there is a chance that conservatives will change their vote and vote democratic. I haven't looked at the history of the conservative vote to know if it there is any chance that it will swing,but I think the chance of that is extremely low. So, they are not really loosing anything .They never had the hard right wing vote anyways.Would you ever consider voting for a liberal democrat.I doubt it. So, in that sence it makes sence. That is the only way it makes a bit of sence. In elections everyone tries to demonize somebody. They will not miss what they never had. Too win the conservative vote you have to take a stance that leaves behind the majority of the country that is more moderate. That is why Bush lost the popular vote. The country is more moderate than he is. Iam not challenging the election.Iam just looking at the numbers. Way more people voted for a less conservative candidate. Everyone needs to keep that in mind during the next elections.
So you are correct in that it will not win the conservative vote.
However,I don't think it is possible for the democrats to win the right wing over without making a 180 turn on their political stances.So, if you can't win them over,demonize them...... Just kidding guys!
Both parties have a group of followers that are not swing voters. (Ie extreme conservatives and extreme liberals.) You don't really look to get these people on board. Really the vote you are concerned over is the moderate vote.I'm not saying that the conservative vote is not important because we all know that it is.It is just not easily influenced.Moderates are the people that can be influenced most. So, the true question is will demonizing the hard right gain swing votes from the moderate voters. I don't know the answer to that.


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: isis]
    #509000 - 01/03/02 04:06 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

****That is why Bush lost the popular vote. ****

just a side note. Klinton never got a majority of the vote and in fact never got as much as Bush did. This is what should be kept in the minds of the voters.


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: Innvertigo]
    #509029 - 01/03/02 04:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting statement. I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say.Here are the results for the past three presidental elections.
1992:
Clinton 43%
Bush Sr 37.4
perot 18.9
1996:
Clinton 49.2%
Dole 40.7%
Perot 8.4%
2000:
Bush 47.9
gore 48.4
nader 2.7
Gore got over 500, 000 votes than Bush. So, yes, Bush got more votes than clinton in 2000,but Gore got more votes than any presidential candidate in history. More than clinton in 1996 and more than Bush in 2000. I don't see any statistic that point to Clinton ever not getting the majority of the votes.
Unless you are saying that he did not get the majority of the votes if you add all of the conservative votes together. Like in 1992 if you add Bush and perot you get 56.3% of the votes.In 1996 this does not hold true and in 2000 well 51.1% voted more democratic. If you add Gore and nader together.


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: isis]
    #509103 - 01/03/02 05:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Clinton won by plurality, not by majority.

The point that the Unified Conservative Shroomery Committee is missing via nitpicking ("MVN" seems to be a popular strategy around here, not just for the U.C.S.C.), is that while Clinton didn't get the majority, he still got more votes than his competitors. Bush didn't get the majority, and he also got less votes than his competition.

I don't think the whole popular vote vs. electoral college debate is that important here, but I just hate seeing the nitpicking.


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: isis]
    #509111 - 01/03/02 06:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, but by demonizing the extreme right, they may over step what they're trying to do and end up demonizing more christians than they want. As for your question as to if a Republican would ever vote for democrat, I have... sometimes they're the lesser of two evils(it was an in-state election, but he was still a democrat).


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: MokshaMan]
    #509496 - 01/03/02 11:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You are right in that.Some Christians may just feel their religion is being attacked. Hopefully, it will not come to that. We just have to wait and see if that tactic is really used. It could backfire on them. Even though I may sound like I want christians demonized, I do not. I don't think anybody should be demonized.
I too have voted for a Republican. I used to have no party affiliation. I just voted for what I thought would be the best candidate.Even on a national level, but that all changed with the last election.


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: isis]
    #509890 - 01/04/02 08:35 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i was referring to the amount of votes...and as for the majority i was referring to a majority of voters....but Cap'n Jack has a point it's splitting hairs


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: Innvertigo]
    #510073 - 01/04/02 02:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i dont see how this is that big of a deal, liberals never have and never will get votes from the bible thumpers, i think all they are trying to do is polarize the populace, trying to get the moderates on their side by attacking the vices of the extreme right and making it look like those are the only people who support the gop. just like the gop has succeded in making all the midwest think that the only votes dems get are from minorities and poor.


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #510078 - 01/04/02 02:49 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The Bible?
Jesus?
God?
Christianity?

Jesus? is a registrerd trademark of Religion Incorporated?
and can not be used for comercial purposes without explicit
written permission from Religion Incorporated? bla bla...


Now that would be cool, they comercialised everything else
so why not christianity? Oh I forgot they already did...


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: NorShroom]
    #510352 - 01/04/02 07:50 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

that and patriotism...


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Re: Dems political strategy is to demonize Christians [Re: NorShroom]
    #510898 - 01/05/02 12:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

that's pretty funny..


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