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The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness
    #5328717 - 02/22/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, let's stipulate that there exists a Godhead, Tao, Logos, the Eternal and unnamable, you get the idea.

It is the One. My question is, how did the Thousand Forms originate? What happened that caused the One to gain the appearance of Two?


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: dblaney]
    #5328728 - 02/22/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Depends on the particular ideology, but perhaps the appearance of two is just that, an appearance. And nothing more.


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: spud]
    #5328742 - 02/22/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Oh indeed, but where did this appearance/illusion start? Has it always existed?


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: dblaney]
    #5328771 - 02/22/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

With the ego perhaps? Whatever is responsible for making us believe we are all independent of each other.


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: dblaney]
    #5328869 - 02/22/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Monotheism came after polytheism didn't it?

edit: wait we're not talking about the same thing.



Edited by TameMe (02/22/06 06:14 PM)


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: spud]
    #5328925 - 02/22/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Has the ego always existed then?

Nice location, by the way :grin:


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: dblaney]
    #5328931 - 02/22/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



This is an ankh. Though it was originally an Egyptian symbol, it was also used by early Gnostic Christians to represent the One, and the dual reality. The circle at the top represents the whole, the oneness of reality in the Godhead. Below it is bisected. This represents the One apprearing as many. It is by splitting reality into subject and object that God is able to attain self-awareness, for when we discover that our true nature is divine, then we realize we are God, and thus God realizes he is God. A light without a reflective surface might as well be darkness. It is through dualistic reality that the One is expressed.


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: dblaney]
    #5328943 - 02/22/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

wow, that's a good question.

The one webpage that I've read on sacred geometry said something interesting about this but doesn't really talk about HOW it happens.

http://www.charlesgilchrist.com/SGEO/SGIntro.html


Surely this division of a singularity is essential in this sort of paradigm...

Perhaps I may reiterate the suggestion that it was the ego, or more specifically AWARENESS. Because once there is awareness then the illusion of duality/multiplicity can manifest. Or perhaps it is the other way around, and once there was multiplicity there context for awareness.

Or maybe they both appeared simultaneously, driving each other.

I'm stumped. The question you asked is truly a mystery! It's right up there with "Is there a God?"


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: dr0mni]
    #5328949 - 02/22/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

maybe you should look into some essays on the Big Bang theory. They are pretty much exploring the same question that you are asking.


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: dblaney]
    #5329146 - 02/22/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Summary: Tsimtsum
Luria?s explanation of creation is among the most intricate in all of Kabbalah. Luria taught his students that Ein Sof created the world in order to understand itself better. Because it was infinite, Ein Sof was also formless and without purpose?it existed as pure energy. Ein Sof therefore resolved to create something with both form and purpose?human beings. Luria theorized that because Ein Sof?s energy had filled up the entire universe previous to the creation of human beings, Ein Sof?s first action had to be tsimtsum, which means ?withdrawal.? In order to make room for creation, Ein Sof had to first create a void inside itself, a space in which to make yesh (something) from ayin (nothing).
Ein Sof?s yesh was Adam Kadmon, or ?Primordial Adam.? Adam Kadmon served as a mystical template for the human race?he was entirely different from Adam of Adam and Eve. Luria described Adam?s creation as the birth of the sefirot and the letters of the Hebrew alphabet: the lights that flashed from the eyes and mouth of Adam Kadmon were the ten sefirot and the twenty-two holy letters. Though they would become the foundation for all of creation, the sefirot and the holy letters began as simply light and energy.
Analysis
Kabbalah teaches it followers to look very closely, to examine every text and experience with exacting precision. Luria?s genius lay in his ability to apply this principle to the main events in kabbalistic history, especially creation. The merkavah mystics and bereshit scholars who preceded Luria never considered what came before the first day of creation. The Zohar speculated that Ein Sof created sparks and lights before creation, but that information didn?t satisfy Luria?he wanted to know why Ein Sof created the universe. Luria?s best guess, and his most important contribution to Kabbalah, was that Ein Sof created the material world to better understand itself, to give its pure energy a form and purpose. The creation of the human race became Ein Sof?s crowning achievement, as only through men and women could Ein Sof truly understand its power and its role in the universe.
At the dawn of creation, Adam Kadmon, like Ein Sof, arose as formless energy. Adam served as the blueprint for the human soul, but like everything in the universe, he remained a part of Ein Sof. Because human beings arose in Adam Kadmon?s image, Luria theorized that human beings also contained Ein Sof. To this day, kabbalists believe that every human being has the power to impact Ein Sof, to determine God?s place in the world.
Summary: Shevirat ha-Kelim
As Ein Sof attempted to fill the vessel it had created with its light, catastrophe struck, and the vessel shattered. Shevirat ha-kelim is the name for the breaking of the vessel. The breaking of the vessel destroyed the ordered universe that Ein Sof had begun to create. Tiny pieces of the vessel, like shards of glass, scattered and brought chaos to the universe. The masculine and feminine aspects of Ein Sof divided. Even Adam Kadmon split into parts.
When the shards of the vessel began to fall, they brought with them sparks of Ein Sof?s light, called netzutzot. Together, the shards and the sparks fell into what would become material reality, or the human world. In place of a harmonious world made from the perfectly balanced ten sefirot, human beings entered a broken world filled with scattered sparks of divine light, which came to be called klippot, meaning ?husks.? Lurianic Kabbalah requires every human being to liberate the sparks of light from these husks through righteous study of Kabbalah. Only when all the sparks are freed will Ein Sof become whole again, ushering in the perfect world that Ein Sof designed at the moment of creation.
Analysis
Luria?s theory of creation presents a bold revision of the traditional concept of divinity. Most religions portray God as omnipotent, a force that guides the actions of all human beings and depends on nothing but itself. Ein Sof is a dependent God, not an all-knowing God. It?s a God that needs human beings in order to understand its scope and purpose, and also to restore it to wholeness. Luria?s idea has inspired kabbalists to speak of God becoming, not being. As the world develops, sparks are liberated, people are born, and Ein Sof evolves to become more and more true to itself. The God of Kabbalah is not a static, unchanging force with one aspect or face, but an ever-evolving source of energy that thrives on the actions of human beings.
Many religions describe the creation of the world as an act of God?s love, but Luria viewed it as a sign of God?s self-sacrifice. The Bible?s account of creation makes it sound like a harmonious simple affair: God simply spoke, creating light and life. But Luria describes creation as a disaster, a catastrophic descent into chaos. The world and human beings form not according to God?s perfect plan, but as a result of destruction?the fragments of Adam Kadmon and the ruin of Ein Sof?s perfect plan. Yet because human beings can liberate the sparks from the material world and help to restore God, the universe becomes filled with good deeds and the hope for redemption.

http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/kabbalah/section9.rhtml


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: dr0mni]
    #5329148 - 02/22/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i dont think i can stretch my thumbs any higher for paradigms post.

only in duality do our minds seek higher. once your consciousness matches the vibrations of those of the higher densities, you become aware of your true essence as a being born of light and love, and you become aware of your direct link to the source mother/father god energy/consciousness.

then you realize that you are in fact it. just a reflection of it. that you hold the same essence.


over millions of years our enviroments have had a strong hold on our brain chemistry.

different enviroments and ways of life had held different collective energies. those minds over time created what worked for them.


a belief adopted by so many and lived by so many will apply to those peoples lives. and therefor be handed down for generations as truth- for that truth controlled their lives, and it worked for them.


i believe mainly we have adopted so many different gods and demigods, because we naturally in the 3rd density yearn for something greater, because something greater is such a natural part of us.

descending into lower vibrations without knowledge or understanding of it- of course we are going to search.


alot of beliefs were also created to manipulate and control-

it is quite amazing to me how anyone can believe in the 'popular' religions these days after seeing how they were used for a millenia of time - and how much unjustified blood was shed over the 'name of the lord.'

that is what detered me. but then again most people are content with going through life with their eyes closed.


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: dblaney]
    #5330617 - 02/23/06 05:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

dblaney said:
Oh indeed, but where did this appearance/illusion start? Has it always existed?




I see lots of mystical and New Age explanations here. Forgive my logocentrims too:

None of us will ever know. But from my tradition of thinking, it must be language and consciousness (which of these came first is debatable and I'll leave that debate out for now). Language divides and differentiates in that each thing that is pointed out by language becomes lifted against a background of a whole -- a contrast is created between the whole and/or an opposite of that object (the referent). Consciousness differentiates only with language; the act of "differentiation" is a concept with lingual grounds (maybe you find that too tricky/simple), and "differentiation" occurs only with language as its cause, as its standard by which to differ (maybe you find this hard to believe, but then you shouldn't be discussing your belief that "all is one").

Atomistic differentiation, polarization of concepts (or "things" if you believe those things really exist, but you can't possible believe they exist if you believe all is one) is an activity forced upon anyone that speaks.

There is another way of differentiating: by modifying things. That's what humans are said to be best at. But would those modifications be cognized or percepted by a beholder that could see all as one? Would those modifications be extracted from the All as modifications without language neurotically compelling man to think so?


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5330620 - 02/23/06 05:11 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"Cause and effect: such a duality probably never exists [yes, because the things that are caused and effected don't exist - Lakefingers]; in truth we are confronted by a continuum out of which we isolate a couple of pieces, just as we perceive motion only as isolated points and then infer it without ever actually seeing it. The suddenness with which many effects stand out misleads us; actually, it is sudden only for us. In this moment of suddenness there is an infinite number of processes that elude us. An intellect that could see cause and effect as a continuum and a flux and not, as we do, in terms of an arbitrary division and dismemberment, would repudiate the concept of cause and effect and deny all conditionality.

- Friedrich Nietzsche, The Gay Science, trans. Kaufmann, p 173


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: dblaney]
    #5331530 - 02/23/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"Does the leaf know it is a part of the tree, or that when it dies it will fall to the ground and feed its roots?" - B.S.


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5331763 - 02/23/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I like your presentation of ein sof and his creation of Adam in his image, the shattering of the vessel, and duty of mankind to raise the sparks.

I like to see this in terms of ongoing creation, in which ein sof is still creating a void to withdraw to, and in which we, who are made in his image, are vessels that are shattering, and then finding and raising the sparks.

many creation myths (or explanations) work best as metaphors to an ongoing fractal and holographic creation.

I do believe that Adam Kadmon (as we also, by natural lineage) was created in g-d's image in so far as associative mind, as a condition sensitive material is the actual image that has been duplicated; more so than form being his likeness, or personality being fashioned according to aome holy template (save it's potential as a construct of mind), while associative mind itself, which is subject to being conditioned, has all necessary the attributes to create universes, and voids.

In this way mind is a fractal subunit of mind, in a holographic ocean of creation, voidness, shattering and reconnecting.


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: dblaney]
    #5332049 - 02/23/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

In "The Book" Alan Watts describes ego as a game of hide and go seek that the Godhead decided to play with itself by manifesting itself into billions of egos. The game of life is to realize that the ego is merely an elaborate hoax, and that we are ultimately one with God.


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Re: The Beginning of Differentiated Consciousness [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5332072 - 02/23/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ah, that's an incredible book.


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