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A sad story.
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There once was a tribe of American Indians that were being systamatically wiped out by overwhelming numbers of U.S. Soldiers. These men, women, and children had fought and won many a pitched battle and against overwehelming odds won time and again. But now they were almost out of food and ammunition except for bows and arrows. At the last they were trapped in a cave and could not be extracted without some loss of life by the soldiers. So the Soldiers decided to starve them out.

The suffering was great. Fear of dying is always a challenge. In the end the last braves strung their bows and instead of waiting charged the soldiers.

They could have held out longer hoping for some miracle. I approve of their choice. I have always remembered this story and remember how hard I cried when I read it.

It has been hard for me to appreciate this culture when the soldiers are still running things.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
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That is a sad story. All these stories about other cultures and civilizations being wiped out always pissed me off intensely.

Ya soldiers are still running things, in fact I'd even say they've never been as powerful as they are now.

Eisenhower tried to warn us, "beware of the military-industrial complex".


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Re: A sad story. [Re: exclusive58]
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Oh yes, we have had our warnings. Humanity isn't ready to hear it.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: A sad story. [Re: exclusive58]
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exclusive58 said:
Eisenhower tried to warn us, "beware of the military-industrial complex".


The foresight of that quote amazes me.


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
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I grow weary of accepting the intricate towers and circuitry that have been sewn over certain misery and anguish. This boat is sinking and I'm too old and we are all too old to grin and shrug any longer.


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Society in every form is a blessing,
but government at its best is but a necessary evil 
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Re: A sad story. [Re: gluke bastid]
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Much better to die an Honorable death than a pitiful one...whether it be figuratively or literally, eh Ice? :heart:


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Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense...

"Religion is a defense against a religious experience"
              Carl G. Jung

 
"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna

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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
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It is sad. But on the other hand it is very inspirational. Knowing full well that their death was assured, they choose to die on their own terms instead of the white mans.

One final act of bravery. To die with honor.

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Re: A sad story. [Re: gregorio]
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gregorio said:
It is sad. But on the other hand it is very inspirational. Knowing full well that their death was assured, they choose to die on their own terms instead of the white mans.

One final act of bravery. To die with honor.


What's the point of honor, when there's no surviving members of your group left to appreciate it?

Would you rather keep your family and friends alive by cowardice or die along with them by honor?

But that is a good story, Icelander. It is representative of life as a whole, in my opinion; no matter what we do, death is always waiting for us, whether by violence, hunger, disease or simple decay. If we are going to fade away, we might as well choose the time and place.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: A sad story. [Re: Ravus]
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i hate seeing things like that

just doesnt make any sense to do stuff like that unless you are the one being attacked, i dont understand these people who are all at war with one another, i just dont get it....


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"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts"-Einstein
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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
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:hug:


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Everything I post is fiction.

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Re: A sad story. [Re: Ravus]
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Ravus said:
What's the point of honor, when there's no surviving members of your group left to appreciate it?

Would you rather keep your family and friends alive by cowardice or die along with them by honor?

If we are going to fade away, we might as well choose the time and place.


You just answered your own questions. They were all going to die anyway.

Edited by gregorio (02/02/06 03:44 PM)

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Re: A sad story. [Re: gregorio]
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Indeed, but I don't think that has anything to do with honor, anymore than Hunter S. Thompson was honorable for killing himself rather than letting the slow decay of time take him.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
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I can relate to this story. I know what it's like to have your peaceful homeland invaded by drivelling idiots with bloodlust. To drive you away into some cave, depriving you of your food, all the while fighting with inferior weaponry. Very sad indeed.

So it's last charge then ftw eh? Thanks for the anecdote.


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Shroomism]
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Then why did you just give me an official warning for writing this? :confused:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
There once was a tribe of American Indians that were being systamatically wiped out by overwhelming numbers of U.S. Soldiers. These men, women, and children had fought and won many a pitched battle and against overwehelming odds won time and again. But now they were almost out of food and ammunition except for bows and arrows. At the last they were trapped in a cave and could not be extracted without some loss of life by the soldiers. So the Soldiers decided to starve them out.


please take no offense in my corrections and stay with me as you'll have
something with which to think on when I'm done, there are no American Indians
there are human beings, if you refer to us as other than people, please just
use Indian, NDN, or even injun, we tend to find being associated as americans
as offensive because we are soveriegn peoples, not citizens, undortunately
we are under the rule of white men and told we are free.

The story you have told has happened time and again, it's still happening today
just in a different way, in the old, at wounded knee soldiers killed, men,
women and children but they didnt stop there they killed the animals including
the ponies, why kill such a valuable animal? 'cuz white men couldnt ride indian
ponies, they do things differently it's the reason the people were slaughtered.



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The suffering was great. Fear of dying is always a challenge. In the end the last braves strung their bows and instead of waiting charged the soldiers.

They could have held out longer hoping for some miracle. I approve of their choice. I have always remembered this story and remember how hard I cried when I read it.


I'll tell you now a story of the people that called themselves Aniyunwiya, in
their tongue it means 'the principal people'. They were acording to the whites
the civilized savages. They lived in homes much like those of whites, they
developed advanced agricultural methods that suited the areas they lived, they
had long established laws that brought balance to their villages.

White men came and were welcomed and soon they began to prosper, the whites
looked down on them and began taking from them, they took land, lives and homes.
Balance was shifted, and the Aniyunwiya saw this, they tried to reconcile and
make things right again. The whites wouldnt have it because they had desires
that couldnt be satisfied. The whites wanted more, they wanted it all, they
told these people, they needed to change to become more like them so the
Aniyunwiya did so in order to preserve the peace and their lives, they
had seen what was happening to the other nations that refused.

The Tsalagi Nation (Aniyunwiya people) emerged, they developed 'white
laws', writen words, and a constitution. the began to dress like whites and
acted more like whites but the differences were still there and the whites
still saw them, no change was good enough. Many thought it was cute, the savages
pretending to be white.

the whites started killing them, and driving them from their homes, not just
one or two villages, the entire nation, what choice did they have, the could
choose to stay and die or leave and live, as the white soldiers herded them
away they encountered more nations and soon they too were driven from their
homes, those that resisted were massacred, the Mobile, the Biloxi, all dead
because they chose to fight. their songs will no longer reach the sky as there
is no one left to sing it.

The Aniyunwiya are still alive and our culture lives on, we can teach it to
our children as it was taught to us. We remained strong through many hard times
because it is our nature, we live because we chose our battles carefully and
didnt chose to sacrifice those we love over land that was not even ours.


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It has been hard for me to appreciate this culture when the soldiers are still running things.


it's harder still to appreciate a culture that isnt around or if your not there
to learn about it... choices are always up to you, make the wrong choice and
maybe you wont have to live with it.


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Re: A sad story. [Re: VirgilKane]
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schapper said:
Much better to die an Honorable death than a pitiful one...whether it be figuratively or literally, eh Ice? :heart:


it's much better to live than to die whether it be honorable or not


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Sorry I can't agree with you, but good luck with all that. :thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
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then it's obviously not a choice you've ever actualy faced, throwing yourself off
a cliff because some cowboy shot your brother? where's the honor in that, where
I am from, we call it foolishness.


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
then it's obviously not a choice you've ever actualy faced, throwing yourself off
a cliff because some cowboy shot your brother? where's the honor in that, where
I am from, we call it foolishness.


Where did you come up with an example like that? It has nothing to do with this story or the point I was making.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
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I dunno, maybe you arent ready to hear it.


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