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Re: A sad story. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5256335 - 02/02/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I dunno maybe it's not on the topic.

If you're dead already there may be personal satisfaction, or honor if you will, in choosing how you will expire.

It would be foolish to kill oneself just because a loved one did. No one ever claimed otherwise. :mushroom2:


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
    #5256402 - 02/02/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I dunno maybe it's not on the topic.





isnt sad indian stories the topic?

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If you're dead already there may be personal satisfaction, or honor if you will, in choosing how you will expire.




maybe, but can we know if theres satisfaction after death when many still
question life after death (straying from the topic now :smirk: ), given your
examples was it really your choice in how you died, the soldiers had 2 choices,
starve you out while they reserve ammunition and fatten up, or kill you when you
exit the cave to fight and then go back home... your choices appeard to be death
(I'm just using you in the sead of the indians because it's easier for me to keep up this way, read my title, you'll understand)


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5256415 - 02/02/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:grin: Good title.

I never meant to say there was satisfaction after death. I'm talking about how you die. I don't know what happens after death.


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
    #5256585 - 02/02/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I thought the latest politically correct term was "First Americans"... so I'm 1/32nd First American. My grandmother hates being labeled anything other than human, but she's never corrected anybody that says "Native American" or "American Indian" or whatever.


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
    #5256599 - 02/02/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

There was a man who was not kind to animals. One day when he was hunting, he found a rattlesnake and decided to torture it. He held its head to the ground and pierced it with a piece of bark. Then as it was caught there, he tormented it.
"We shall fight," he said and then burned the snake until it was dead. He thought this was a great jest and so, whenever he found a snake, he would do the same thing.

One day another man from his village was walking through the forest when he heard a strange sound. It was louder than the wind hissing through the tops of tall pine trees. He crept closer to see. There, in a great clearing, were many snakes. They were gathered for a war council and as he listened in fright he heard them say:

"We shall now fight with them. Djisdaah has challenged us and we shall go to war. In four days we shall go to their village and fight them."

The man crept away and then ran as fast as he could to his village to tell what he had heard and seen. The chief sent other men to see if the report was true. They returned in great fright.

"Ahhhhh," they said, "it is so. The snakes are all gathering to have a war."

The chief of the village could see that he had no choice. "We must fight," he said and ordered the people of the village to make preparations for the battle. They cut mountains of wood and stacked it in long piles all around the village. They built rows of stakes close together to keep the snakes out. When the fourth day came, the chief ordered that the piles of wood be set on fire. Just as he did so they heard a great noise, like a great wind in the trees. It was the noise of the snakes, hissing as they came to the village to do battle.

Usually a snake will not go near a fire, but these snakes were determined to have their revenge. They went straight into the flames. Many of them died, but the living snakes crawled over the bodies of the dead ones and continued to move forward until they reached the second row of stakes.

Once again, the chief ordered that the piles of wood in the second row of defense be set on fire. But the snakes crawled straight into the flames, hissing their war songs, and the living crawled over the bodies of the dead. It was a terrible sight. They reached the second row of stakes and, even though the people fought bravely, it was no use. The snakes were more numerous than fallen leaves and they could not be stopped. Soon they forced their way past the last row of stakes and the people of the village were fighting for their lives. The first man to be killed was Djisdaah, the one who had challenged the snakes to battle.

It was now clear that they could never win this battle. The chief of the village shouted to the snakes who had reached the edge of the village: "Hear me, my brothers. We surrender to you.

We have done you a great wrong. Have mercy on us."

The snakes stopped where they were and there was a great silence.

The exhausted warriors looked at the great army of snakes and the snakes stared back at them. Then the earth trembled and cracked in front of the human beings. A great snake, a snake taller than the biggest pine tree, whose head was larger than a great long house, lifted himself out of the hole in the earth

"Hear me," he said. "I am the chief of all the snakes. We shall go and leave you in peace if you will agree to two things."

The chief looked at the great snake and nodded his head. "We will agree, Great Chief," he said.

"It is well," said the Chief of the Snakes. "These are the two things. First, you must always treat my people with respect. Secondly, as long as the world stands, you will never name another man Djisdaah."

And so it was agreed and so it is, even today.

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Iroquois Indian legend ...

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Re: A sad story. [Re: Sclorch]
    #5256609 - 02/02/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"First Nations" in Canada; "Indian" in the US.

Indians aren't really that PC, for the most part.


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Re: A sad story. [Re: MAIA]
    #5256614 - 02/02/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

MAIA said:
There was a man who was not kind to animals. One day when he was hunting, he found a rattlesnake and decided to torture it. He held its head to the ground and pierced it with a piece of bark. Then as it was caught there, he tormented it.
"We shall fight," he said and then burned the snake until it was dead. He thought this was a great jest and so, whenever he found a snake, he would do the same thing.

One day another man from his village was walking through the forest when he heard a strange sound. It was louder than the wind hissing through the tops of tall pine trees. He crept closer to see. There, in a great clearing, were many snakes. They were gathered for a war council and as he listened in fright he heard them say:

"We shall now fight with them. Djisdaah has challenged us and we shall go to war. In four days we shall go to their village and fight them."

The man crept away and then ran as fast as he could to his village to tell what he had heard and seen. The chief sent other men to see if the report was true. They returned in great fright.

"Ahhhhh," they said, "it is so. The snakes are all gathering to have a war."

The chief of the village could see that he had no choice. "We must fight," he said and ordered the people of the village to make preparations for the battle. They cut mountains of wood and stacked it in long piles all around the village. They built rows of stakes close together to keep the snakes out. When the fourth day came, the chief ordered that the piles of wood be set on fire. Just as he did so they heard a great noise, like a great wind in the trees. It was the noise of the snakes, hissing as they came to the village to do battle.

Usually a snake will not go near a fire, but these snakes were determined to have their revenge. They went straight into the flames. Many of them died, but the living snakes crawled over the bodies of the dead ones and continued to move forward until they reached the second row of stakes.

Once again, the chief ordered that the piles of wood in the second row of defense be set on fire. But the snakes crawled straight into the flames, hissing their war songs, and the living crawled over the bodies of the dead. It was a terrible sight. They reached the second row of stakes and, even though the people fought bravely, it was no use. The snakes were more numerous than fallen leaves and they could not be stopped. Soon they forced their way past the last row of stakes and the people of the village were fighting for their lives. The first man to be killed was Djisdaah, the one who had challenged the snakes to battle.

It was now clear that they could never win this battle. The chief of the village shouted to the snakes who had reached the edge of the village: "Hear me, my brothers. We surrender to you.

We have done you a great wrong. Have mercy on us."

The snakes stopped where they were and there was a great silence.

The exhausted warriors looked at the great army of snakes and the snakes stared back at them. Then the earth trembled and cracked in front of the human beings. A great snake, a snake taller than the biggest pine tree, whose head was larger than a great long house, lifted himself out of the hole in the earth

"Hear me," he said. "I am the chief of all the snakes. We shall go and leave you in peace if you will agree to two things."

The chief looked at the great snake and nodded his head. "We will agree, Great Chief," he said.

"It is well," said the Chief of the Snakes. "These are the two things. First, you must always treat my people with respect. Secondly, as long as the world stands, you will never name another man Djisdaah."

And so it was agreed and so it is, even today.

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Iroquois Indian legend ...

MAIA




I grew up near Iroquois country, I never heard that one.

And I don't get what this has to do with my thread. You're not heading off topic are you? Maybe you can explain the connection as my brain is a little tired today.  :mushroom2:


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5257639 - 02/02/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:

a cliff because some cowboy shot your brother? where's the honor in that, where
I am from, we call it foolishness.




No comparision. The honor in that would be to hunt down who shot down your brother. If you die in the process, you have died with honor. Much better I say than leaving town and forgetting like it never happened.


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5258036 - 02/03/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
it's much better to live than to die whether it be honorable or not




We all die, it's just a matter of how we reach that point. I'd rather die in honor than live a life in cowardice.

And I find debates of anecdotes rather irrelevant of proving anything - anecdotes are always biased and never objective. An anecdote's authenticity is always questioned and they can be counteracted with another anecdote ... which, could be made up on the spot. They can serve as a cherry on top of your argument, but weak by themselves. It's like having all dessert for lunch.


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Re: A sad story. [Re: TheGus]
    #5258055 - 02/03/06 01:07 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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TheGus said:
i hate seeing things like that

just doesnt make any sense to do stuff like that unless you are the one being attacked, i dont understand these people who are all at war with one another, i just dont get it....




You got nothing you would die for? Then you have nothing to live for either, the two go hand in hand.


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
    #5258533 - 02/03/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Then why did you just give me an official warning for writing this? :confused:




Shroomism. Please answer this question.


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
    #5258664 - 02/03/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

AS STATED IN THE WARNING YOU RECEIVED> I gave you a warning for making multiple threads with obvious undertones of anti-shroomery dissension, otherwise known as trolling with the intent to stir up drama.


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Shroomism]
    #5258711 - 02/03/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks I wanted to hear you say I was warned for telling my truth about the world.

In the baptist church I grew up in they used to say one was "convicted" when someone was making a general statement about wrongdoing and a paticular person who overheard took it personally and thought you were talking about them. You see they had a guilty conscience and so took a general statement to be about them.

I think you also said I was flaming here. :tongue:


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
    #5258719 - 02/03/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

No, as you become more acquainted with the ban bot, you will see that Flaming/Trolling is a single category. You were trolling, not flaming, but your offense fit under the one category.


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Re: A sad story. [Re: shroomydan]
    #5258731 - 02/03/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the clarification. I am sure I will know all about ban-bot soon enough. :grin:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
    #5259072 - 02/03/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh yes, we have had our warnings. Humanity isn't ready to hear it.




I got a little secret for ya, WE ARENT HUMANITY.


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Re: A sad story. [Re: WildRunner]
    #5259199 - 02/03/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Really? Who are we? In general. :tunnel:


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Re: A sad story. [Re: shroomydan]
    #5263528 - 02/04/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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shroomydan said:
Indians aren't really that PC, for the most part.




indians arent a politicaly correct people, the term is prefered because when the
spanish labeled us it was as the people of god, indios


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Icelander]
    #5263542 - 02/04/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I grew up near Iroquois country, I never heard that one.




it's similar to a cherokee tale regarding blance in our laws, the story tels of
a woman that killed a rattle snake, the other snakes learned of the death and
approached her husband, and told him they were planning to kill her, he arainged
to have a single snake meet him at his home to kill her when he sent her for
water from the spring, under the old cherokee laws, if you were to kill a member
of my family, your family would then have to select a member to be put to death

Quote:

And I don't get what this has to do with my thread. You're not heading off topic are you? Maybe you can explain the connection as my brain is a little tired today.  :mushroom2:




what exactly is the topic if it's not sad injun tales?


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Re: A sad story. [Re: Fospher]
    #5263571 - 02/04/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Fospher said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
it's much better to live than to die whether it be honorable or not




We all die, it's just a matter of how we reach that point. I'd rather die in honor than live a life in cowardice.




is it cowardice to be a passive person or to accept whats done as being
unchangable or even to die of old age? What you see as cowardly may not
be to another, it depends on your nature.


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