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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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From the National Council Against Health Fraud:

http://ncahf.org/

Thus, D.D. Palmer invented chiropractic, named it, and established a guild of practitioners to further its development. For this reason chiropractic fits the dictionary definition of a cult (i.e. a system for the cure of disease based upon dogma set forth by its promulgator) (Webster's New Seventh Collegiate Dictionary).


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: SneezingPenis]
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There is no way of knowing if you are getting distilled water, or a homeopathic remedy, which is why im pretty sure, the hard-core advocates of homeopathy make their own tinctures.

Um, a tincture is alcohol-based.  :rolleyes:


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Thanks for failing to answer a single question.


Your welcome! :grin:

I'll use the ADD excuse. :tongue2:

I would think if you could catch a manufacturer selling it with printed labels claiming to be a diluted homeopathic tincture,  with evidence that will hold up in court that they are NOT diluting said property into the water but just bottling distilled water, you may have a case and be able to shut them down.

By law they can't be advertised as cures, however, if they do advertise they are diluted homeopathic tinctures and in fact are not, there has to be some consumer fraud that would hold up in court of law.

People should research the people and companies they buy that stuff from and get refferals.

I'm not a consumer of homeopathic remedies myself but I am of essential oils and I do my research on who I buy from. Some jerkies out there sell stuff as undiluted to get full price for an absolute when it is diluted with a base oil hard to detect.

Buyer of both alternative and modern medicine beware I say! Do you homework for both and get referals.

:peace: :heart:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: Swami]
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good dodge.

so.... is that all? you just wanted that question answered?

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
There is no way of knowing if you are getting distilled water, or a homeopathic remedy, which is why im pretty sure, the hard-core advocates of homeopathy make their own tinctures.

Um, a tincture is alcohol-based.  :rolleyes:


um....    For other uses, see Anecdote (disambiguation).

An anecdote is a very brief tale narrating an interesting or amusing biographical incident. (see first post for laugh)

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: Swami]
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Aromotherapy tinctures are just the steam condensed left over from processing the plants. No alcohol involved.

from Websters- see definition number 3 :smile:

tinc?ture    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (tngkchr)
n.
A coloring or dyeing substance; a pigment.
1;An imparted color; a tint.
2;A quality that colors, pervades, or distinguishes.
3;A trace or vestige: ?a faint tincture of condescension? (Robert Craft).
4;An alcohol solution of a nonvolatile medicine: tincture of iodine.
5;Heraldry. A metal, color, or fur.


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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
From the National Council Against Health Fraud:

http://ncahf.org/

Thus, D.D. Palmer invented chiropractic, named it, and established a guild of practitioners to further its development. For this reason chiropractic fits the dictionary definition of a cult (i.e. a system for the cure of disease based upon dogma set forth by its promulgator) (Webster's New Seventh Collegiate Dictionary).


where is the proper link? the one to the quote you used?

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: SneezingPenis]
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You reference an entirely different procedure that is not even remotely related to homeopathy. Distilling an essential oil in alcohol is NOTHING like molecular imprinting. Not underssanding the subject matter makes it difficult to have rational discourse.


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The proof is in the pudding.

Edited by Swami (01/01/06 09:34 PM)

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: SneezingPenis]
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You failed to reply with anything relevant to my posts. Either you accidentally clicked my click reply button, or you purposefully replied with no effort to address my comment.

Do you know how famous a scientist would be if he/she could show scientifically that homeopathic remedies actually work? The fame and prestige gained by completing such a study would far outweigh anything the pharm. companies could do for them. I guarantee thta scientist would receive a Nobel prize.

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: Redstorm]
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you are talking about scientists..... I dont think i ever mentioned scientists.

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I would think if you could catch a manufacturer selling it with printed labels claiming to be a diluted homeopathic tincture, with evidence that will hold up in court that they are NOT diluting said property into the water but just bottling distilled water, you may have a case and be able to shut them down.

Ah, but you make my point for me. There is no way to distinguish the end product of homeopathy from distilled water.

Remember my old sig? "A Difference that makes no difference; IS no difference."


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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
You reference an entirely different procedure that is not even remotely related to homeopathy. Distilling an essential oil in alochol is NOTHING like molecular imprinting. Not underssanding the subject matter makes it difficult to have rational discourse.


was this a mis-reply? I really dont see how this applies to my posts at all.

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: SneezingPenis]
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So research scientists never test "modern medical science"?

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
I would think if you could catch a manufacturer selling it with printed labels claiming to be a diluted homeopathic tincture, with evidence that will hold up in court that they are NOT diluting said property into the water but just bottling distilled water, you may have a case and be able to shut them down.

Ah, but you make my point for me. There is no way to distinguish the end product of homeopathy from distilled water.

Remember my old sig? "A Difference that makes no difference; IS no difference."


just as there is no way to distinguish if someone was "cured" by modern science pill, or the placebo effect?

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: Diploid]
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So how is modern medicine going to get my screwed up invertebre back in place?

Have you been to a chiropracter ever? have you ever seen your own before during and after x-rays? Do you know the relif it is to get out of that sort of pain and to get your full mobility back?

The hospital will give you a neck brace, some pain meds, muscle relaxers and send you on your way. don't operate heavy machinery or drive a car while on them or go to work and do something stupid enough to get you fired because your so drugged up when you don't have to be.

If the U.S. ever fell off it's rocker enough to outlaw the practice of chiropratics, then, I would move out of the country. It would scare the piss out of me wondering what freedom of choice in health care they were gong after next.

Do you honestly support any movement to outlaw that practice Dip? Drug free spinal realignment. The only people I can see having a problem with it are the ones selling the neck braces and prescrition drugs and loosing patient visit fees to chiropracters.

What do you care?

:peace: :heart:


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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
So research scientists never test "modern medical science"?


im sure they do.... but im still not seeing the relevance.

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: SneezingPenis]
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just as there is no way to distinguish if someone was "cured" by modern science pill, or the placebo effect?

Put some penicillin in a petri dish with some bugs, and a placebo in another petri dish with the same bugs.

Let me know which one kills the bugs.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: SneezingPenis]
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just as there is no way to distinguish if someone was "cured" by modern science pill, or the placebo effect?

*Sigh*There must be major transmission difficulties here tonight.

The point was made as to CONTENT not EFFICACY. A bottle of aspirin can be tested for aspirin content. A bottle of homeopathy remedy cannot chemically be tested for ANYTHING whatsoever other than the base (water).


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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: SneezingPenis]
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psilocyberin said:
Redstorm said:
So research scientists never test "modern medical science"?


im sure they do.... but im still not seeing the relevance.


Quote:
modern medical science..... it has its lobbyist, and interests to protect just like any other industry.

How bad would the healthcare industry suffer if homeopathy were proven? doesn't this situation seem a lot like the physicians propaganda campaign against chiropractors?
The second some form of "alternate" treatment shows up, the doctors get all in a tizzy.


You speak as if every doctor and scientist are part of the pharm. lobby, when this is far from true. Both doctors and scientists would have much to gain by it being scientifically tested to be legitimate.

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Re: Final Question(s) for Homeopathy Aficianados [Re: Diploid]
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i think you have completely missed the point of placebo studies.

The whole point is that we can "trick" ourselves into believing that we are being cured.
The placebo effect is a huge mystery (in the science realm), but I think we can all attest that there is definitly a visible effect.

If your test was done, it wouldnt be a placebo test, because the placebo effect deals with the human mind.

In studies, where the placebo is often used, they have two groups (im sure you know all this, but it seems to need explanation now). the reason they have a placebo and "real" group is because they are unable to distinguish through only one group when someone is genuinly cured by the pill, or cured by placebo.

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