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NYT: NSA Spying Broader Than Bush Admitted
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I just read this. What do you guys think the chances of this story reaching "gate" status are?




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NEW YORK - The National Security Agency has conducted much broader surveillance of e-mails and phone calls ? without court orders ? than the Bush administration has acknowledged, The New York Times reported on its Web site.

The NSA, with help from American telecommunications companies, obtained access to streams of domestic and international communications, said the Times in the report late Friday, citing unidentified current and former government officials.

The story did not name the companies.

Since the Times disclosed the domestic spying program last week,
President Bush has stressed that his executive order allowing the eavesdropping was limited to people with known links to al-Qaida.

But the Times said that NSA technicians have combed through large volumes of phone and Internet traffic in search of patterns that might lead to terrorists.

The volume of information harvested from telecommunications data and voice networks, without court-approved warrants, is much larger than the White House has acknowledged, the paper said, quoting an unnamed official.

The story quoted a former technology manager at a major telecommunications firm as saying that companies have been storing information on calling patterns since the Sept. 11 attacks, and giving it to the federal government. Neither the manager nor the company he worked for was identified.








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Re: NYT: NSA Spying Broader Than Bush Admitted [Re: Learyfan]
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i hate to say it, but low. untill crucial information [at least more than is presented in the article] arises it's not likely to get far. many people are already leery of the times reporting on these issues, given the botched census data story.

i'd love to see some names to go with it, it does have promise.


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Re: NYT: NSA Spying Broader Than Bush Admitted [Re: canid]
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I think it's already gone "gate" worthy. I forgot what they chose for it, but of course, it's not like it's an offical status.

I think the potential is there. There are laws which are clearly being violated, that carry prison sentances. People are already attempting to start an investigation. The "I" word is also being thrown around.

It does worry me though, how much they've been able to dodge things to this point. I'm somewhat jaded.


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Re: NYT: NSA Spying Broader Than Bush Admitted [Re: canid]
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i dont know about this latest revelation...but as to the original ..

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060109/editors

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Bush's High Crimes

Choosing his words carefully, George W. Bush all but accused critics of his extralegal warrantless wiretaps of giving aid and comfort to Al Qaeda: "It was a shameful act, for someone to disclose this very important program in time of war. The fact that we're discussing this program is helping the enemy." If so, the ranks of the treasonous now include leaders of the President's own party, and the New York Times's revelations of illegal wiretaps foretell an earthquake. Senator Lindsey ["mr torture"] Graham, last seen carrying gallons of water for the White House on the status of Guant?namo prisoners, will have nothing of Bush's end run around the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act: "Even in a time of war, you have to follow the process," he said flatly. An infuriated Arlen Specter, Senate Judiciary chairman, whose good will the White House depends on in the upcoming Supreme Court confirmation of Samuel Alito, declared the President's domestic spying "inexcusable...clearly and categorically wrong" and plans hearings.

For the generations who came of age after the mid-1970s, it is worth recalling why warrantless domestic surveillance so shocks the political system. It needs to be repeated that the same arguments cited by Bush--inherent presidential power and national security--sustained the wiretapping of Martin Luther King Jr., unleashed illegal CIA domestic spying and generated FBI files on thousands of American dissidents. It needs to be repeated that in 1974, the articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon included abuse of presidential power based on warrantless wiretaps and illegal surveillance. It needs to be repeated that a few months later, presidential aides named Cheney and Rumsfeld labored mightily to secure President Ford's veto of the Freedom of Information Act, in an unsuccessful attempt to turn back post-Watergate restrictions on homegrown spying and government secrecy.

Most of all it needs to be repeated that no constitutional clause gives the President "because I said so" authority. The fact that former Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Yoo tried to concoct a laughable fig leaf out of Congress's 9/11 use-of-force resolution in no way diminishes the President's culpability. Nor does the evident collusion of a handful of Senate leaders, including minority leader Harry Reid, who was evidently informed at least partly about the spying program.

A belligerent President vowed that warrantless domestic spying will continue, whatever the letter of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act or the Bill of Rights. Bush also none too subtly threw down the gauntlet to Congress: "An open debate about law would say to the enemy here's what we're going to do." But open debate is the very essence of democracy; without it, there is little to prevent a slide into authoritarianism (indeed, the ACLU has released FBI documents that indicate the bureau has expanded the definition of "domestic terrorism" to include citizens engaged in nonviolent protest and civil disobedience). Congress therefore has a solemn obligation to carry out a full investigation into these grave breaches of our constitutional liberties.

Where will the revelations end? Given Bush's repeated depiction of leakers and critics as aiding the enemy, is it a paranoid fantasy to imagine a secret-wiretap list extending to reporters and government officials? And given the palpable outrage among Republicans as well as Democrats at the President's contempt for basic constitutional law, is it impossible to imagine illegal wiretaps leading to the final undoing of the Bush presidency?



also of interest is 1972 SCOTUS ruling..ironically entitled US vs US district court...which held that national security is not a valid pretext for the executive to ignore the courts...

bushs' arguement is .."yeah..i breakin' the law...gotta problem widdat??"...try telling that to a cop the next time you get busted...

Edited by Annapurna1 (12/24/05 03:01 AM)

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