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is bush waging ecological warfare??...
    #3539612 - 12/24/04 04:46 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/20843/

this link was meant as sarcasm...but an earlier pentagon report noted potential threats to US security resulting from a new ice age...the link suggests that bush is trying to turn the report on its head..which is admittedly far-flung..but not out-of-the question for bush...


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3539628 - 12/24/04 04:53 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, Bush is definitely waging ecological warfare. As have all presidents in recent history. Agent orange in Nam, and anti-coca spraying in columbia are just a couple examples of the unrestrained use of chemical weapons against the ecosystem.

Last I heard, they were even talking about releasing genetically-modified bacteria and virii to help "wipe out" the coca plants in Columbia.


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: trendal]
    #3539757 - 12/24/04 05:49 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Last I heard, they were even talking about releasing genetically-modified bacteria and virii to help "wipe out" the coca plants in Columbia.




and the columbians.....fuck bush


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: trendal]
    #3539771 - 12/24/04 05:54 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

There are no rules nor innocents in the war against evil. :devil:


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: psilomonkey]
    #3539783 - 12/24/04 05:58 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah those evil plants are really starting to piss me off :lol:


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: trendal]
    #3539796 - 12/24/04 06:03 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Indeed, it was born wicked. Speaking of which I think I have found another wicked plant, I think burning is in order.

Merry XMas BTW.


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: psilomonkey]
    #3539817 - 12/24/04 06:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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psilomonkey said:
Indeed, it was born wicked. Speaking of which I think I have found another wicked plant, I think burning is in order.

Merry XMas BTW.




lmao


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Clavicep]
    #3539819 - 12/24/04 06:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

green and red, holiday colors when I burn this bush.


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Clavicep]
    #3539834 - 12/24/04 06:14 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

the tragic irony is that the part that you dont burn might become the instrument of your execution...


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3539893 - 12/24/04 06:33 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

The rest of the world produces about 2/3 of the green house gases. Can we get them to stop producing them?


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Pali_Gap]
    #3539926 - 12/24/04 06:43 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

just wait till 10-15 years from now, when China really gets things cooking.


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Pali_Gap]
    #3539950 - 12/24/04 06:55 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Can we get them to stop producing them?

Can you lead by example, at least?


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: trendal]
    #3540073 - 12/24/04 07:43 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

one reason the US has such high CO2 output is because we're using a lot of energy to make a lot of stuff. there are some countries that have cleaner industry, and pollute less per unit of production, and there are some that pollute a whole lot more.

carbon efficiency of some different countries, in terms of thousand metric tons of CO2 released per trillion dollars GDP:

7,447,743 North Korea
1,597,963 Ukraine
1,472,222 United Arab Emirates
1,093,232 Russia
1,030,708 Khazakstan
813,979 Poland
818,013 Cuba
805,681 South Africa
632,496 Australia
578,932 China
558,189 Canada
551,393 US
454,409 South Korea
416,747 Mexico
400,598 Indonesia
378,370 India
387,696 Germany
365,330 UK
335,452 Japan
307,997 Italy
241,071 Brazil
233,301 France


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: ]
    #3540160 - 12/24/04 08:26 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i don't think it's really a question. of course he's waging a war on the ecological. hell, even before bush America (and plenty of other fucking countries) and corporations have been waging war on the forests and the entire enviroment. timber companies, big time farmers loaded with pesticides, factories, and cars. nuclear plants....pffft...


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: trick]
    #3540221 - 12/24/04 08:53 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Timber companies that replant trees don't wage war on the ecology. Nor does nuclear energy, if it's stored in clay layers within the earth, thus allowing no radiation to leak. The times when nuclear waste was just dumped in the ocean are over.
If governments forced companies to produce cleaner cars (or offered tax reductions for cleaner cars), those would be less of a problem, too. Same goes for factories.


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: Alan Stone]
    #3540334 - 12/24/04 09:42 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Timber companies that replant trees don't wage war on the ecology.

If any clear-cutting is performed, it can take 40 or 50 years for the area to regrow to the same height. During that time, species which relied on that area can go extinct. When the section of forest regrows, it is made completely of two or three single species of tree. This comes nowhere near the number of species that were cut down. All those lost species supported hundreds to thousands of individual species...which can no longer live in that portion of forest. So I don't think clear-cutting should be performed anywhere.

There are new methods of harvesting trees that leave the forest standing by only taking specific trees that are just right for harvest. I saw a machine ones in Sweden that had a long arm on it that would grab onto a tree, cut the trunk, then gently set it down and cut it into 15' sections. With methods like that, there isn't any reason to be clear cutting anymore.


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: trendal]
    #3540519 - 12/24/04 10:50 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

here after replanting they usually wait 60-80 years to cut again. keep in mind logging is killing, that is not good for the environment. look at streams, soil erosion, the earth drying, and dependant species. there are many plants and fungi that can only grow from or with other certain speceis. lots are require the old growth forest situation. look at indian pipe, yellow chanterelle, pine mushrooms, candystick and so on. logging does no good except line people pockets. nothing more nothing less....and if you want to bring up forest fires, they are beneficial. many species NEED them to keep the species going. if you look at BC's recent summers think about why. we have been holding fires back for years. it needs to be burnt back every now and then to stay healthy. its a cycle we have cracked, bent, and broken.

trendal, there are reasons clearcutting is good. 1 our gov lets people do it. 2 its fast. 3 its cheap. 4 bigger return. 5 when you ship out raw logs to people who rob you its good buisness to cut lots.


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: kadakuda]
    #3540533 - 12/24/04 10:55 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

logging does no good except line people pockets.

and give people materials with which to build the homes in which they live.

:shrug:


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    #3540695 - 12/24/04 11:54 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

:doh:

i'll shut up....


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Re: is bush waging ecological warfare??... [Re: kadakuda]
    #3541409 - 12/25/04 04:10 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i agree with kadakuda..we can make our houses out of recycled tires and paper out of hemp :laugh: no need to cut another tree
seriously though, people generally fail to see how everything on the land is connected..animals, plants, rivers, trees, us..it all depends on a stability that is easy to upset with logging. you kill off a species of tree in one area, there are hundreds of animal species that suffer, you clear a river bank and it starts to erode, clouding the water and causing the river to run faster, preventing salmon from swimming upstream..there are so many subtleties..white-bark pine seeds are the most important food source of grizzly bears, and right now there is an epidemic killing off a lot of white bark pines because of rising temperatures..not saying that is our fault, but it shows that losing something as small and seemingly insignificant as a certain seed could kill off one of the largest mammals on earth. industry thrives on short term profits, and being short sighted when it comes to the environment is always wrong. bush's administration is contstantly siding with industry and development when it comes to forests...if that's not ecological warfare, what is? :shrug:


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