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Not only did the leader of the free world sit as his country was attacked, the Secret Service also
did nothing. Bush was appearing in public at a previously announced photo-op. He was a sitting
duck. The attacks were ongoing at that point (planes had yet to hit the Pentagon or the field in
Pennsylvania), and nobody knew how much more destruction was going to happen. Were there
two, three, four, eight more planes hijacked and on their way to crash into prominent buildings?
Was one headed for the school, where anyone who checked the President's public itinerary would
know he was located? Were other terrorists planning to detonate dirty nukes? Were they going to
release anthrax or smallpox or sarin? Was an assassination squad going to burst into the school and
get Bush? Was a suicide bomber going to ram a truck full of explosives into that classroom?

During the midst of the attacks, any of these things could've happened. Yet there sits Bush,
seemingly unconcerned. His Chief of Staff likewise doesn't think that America in flames warrants
the President's immediate attention. And the Secret Service utterly fails to do its job by grabbing the
President of the United States and getting him to safety. It's truly inexplicable.

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Isn't it obvious to you that Bush did nothing because he knew exactly what was going to happen that day?

I'd like to hear the pro-Bush people defend these non-actions.

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Not only did the leader of the free world sit as his country was attacked, the
Secret Service also
did nothing. Bush was appearing in public at a previously announced photo-op.
He was a sitting
duck. The attacks were ongoing at that point (planes had yet to hit the
Pentagon or the field in
Pennsylvania), and nobody knew how much more destruction was going to
happen. Were there
two, three, four, eight more planes hijacked and on their way to crash into
prominent buildings?
Was one headed for the school, where anyone who checked the President?s
public itinerary would
know he was located? Were other terrorists planning to detonate dirty nukes?
Were they going to
release anthrax or smallpox or sarin? Was an assassination squad going to
burst into the school and
get Bush? Was a suicide bomber going to ram a truck full of explosives into
that classroom?

During the midst of the attacks, any of these things could?ve happened. Yet
there sits Bush,
seemingly unconcerned. His Chief of Staff likewise doesn?t think that America
in flames warrants
the President?s immediate attention. And the Secret Service utterly fails to do
its job by grabbing the
President of the United States and getting him to safety. It?s truly
inexplicable.

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Half of the threads are about how Bush stole the election, or some other BS argument about how bad he is.  I am an independent thinker myself, and this kind of unoriginal thought irritates me.

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You imply that any arguments about how bad Bush is are BS.  That kind of statement isn't what I would expect from someone who claims to be an independent thinker.  Every argument should be judged on it's merits.  There are a lot of very compelling arguments (and some that aren't so compelling) presented in these forums, which are turned down simply because they are either for or against Bush.

I'll agree with you in this case, however,  that based on the video alone, without any other information to go with it, that it's not enough to prove any wrong doing, especially since we couldn't hear what was said to Bush in those 2.5 seconds, and we don't know what the agents knew.  I think there's a story showing that Bush did know more, and Leary has probably already read that story (which is why he may have stronger feelings about this).  If you're the independent thinker you say you are, I would hope that you would be interested in reading that story with an open mind as well.

And when you think something is BS, chime in and tell people why, don't just call BS as you did with this thread.

Cheers! 

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As I type this some real change is starting to happen in the middle east. The Palestenian terrorists groups are actually promising to have a cease fire for 3 months.

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Iran is heading towards Democracy instead of the fanatical religion based government they have now. The people are taking to the streets and protesting. They want democracy. Freedom is a wonderful thing. The ability to protest what your government is doing when you disagree with it, is only available in free societies. Try that in Saddam's Iraq and see where it gets you.

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Cornholio said:

Be careful here.  Those who have taken to the street to protest the US occupation are being arrested.  They aren't as free as you think.  Most Muslims believe that religion MUST be a part of Government.  Should we not respect that because we don't believe it?  I'm not saying they shouldn't have freedom or democracy, I'm saying if we don't let them choose their own Government, then they DON'T have freedom or democracy.

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I was talking about Iran, not Iraq. The students first started protesting against the government, and now everyday people are in most of the cities. If all the people in a country get pissed enough, things will change. Iran has a history of rebellion anyway.

Next thing. The thought that the president could be evil I agree with. Anyone can be evil. I just disagree when any little nothing story is used to try to portray him as some evil guy with strange motives or something. I am not saying Bush is a saint, I am just saying he is not as bad as people try to make him seem. I think he does a good job. Of course, no matter who the president is a lot of people will think he is a jackass.

Back to Iraq. I don't think there are massive arrests to protestors going on. If you throw rocks, or incite the people to do something dangerous you get arrested, or you get a bullet. We are still trying to secure the country, and our boys are dying every day while doing the job. Freedom as we know it does not exist in Iraq yet. It can't until a new Iraqi government takes over and everything settles down. As we round up or kill the remaining bad guys things will get better. The bad guys are the ones shooting at our guys in case you didn't know.  

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I was talking about Iran, not Iraq

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Alright. I think they were perfectly safe there. The Secret Service does a pretty good job of protecting the
President. Maybe they knew something some guy writing a story on the internet didn't. Maybe not. The point
is hindsight is 20/20. Was it a mistake? I have no idea. Obviuosly nothing happened. It makes it sound like he
was some evil lazy fucker that just sat there as we got attacked. What was he expected to do? Run down
the street screaming. They were probably waiting to get a little more info, and enact a plan to get him out of
there. Which they did shortly thereafter.

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What do I expect the President of the United States to do once he found out the country is under attack? Well it would be nice if he could

1) Leave the classroom

2) Ask what the fuck was going on

3) Ask who was attacking us

4) Leave the school in which any terrorist who wanted to could have known he was there and crashed a plane or truck bombed the place

5) Immediately find out if he needed to authorize a civilian plane to be shot down or not

There's a number of things he should have done. He did nothing. Why?

BUSH KNEW

shakta said:

Yet another desperate grasp of Bush bashing liberals. Why does this even matter? I am done with this forum. To many irrational people in here grasping at straws.

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You'll soon realize that they wouldn't do the same if it was a Democrat doing the exact same things.

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Fuck all career polititcians.

If the idea that Bush knew about 9-11 is so ridiculous why didn't you even try to explain his inaction?

He did absolutely nothing and asked no questions when America was under attack. He didn't need to.

luvdemshrooms said:

shakta said:

Yet another desperate grasp of Bush bashing liberals. Why does this even matter? I am done with this forum. To many irrational people in here grasping at straws. 

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You'll find that many here will blame Bush for everything from cavities in their teeth, the death of the dinosaurs, the civil war, and anything else they can think of. You'll soon realize that they wouldn't do the same if it was a Democrat doing the exact same things.
 

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That is actually untrue.  I trust no one in the white house.  Democrat or Republican.   
 

somebodyelse said:

Disillusionment, when it hits, is going to hit you hard.

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