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Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people.
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http://www.flurl.com/uploaded/Bareknucklepoliticscom_EXCLUSIVE_10122.html

How the hell do we expect to have any progress in Iraq if we have these unregulated security contractors doing this joyriding.

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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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The hillbilly music was quite fitting.

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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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that is fucked up.


'Trophy' video exposes private security contractors shooting up Iraqi drivers
By Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 27/11/2005)

A "trophy" video appearing to show security guards in Baghdad randomly shooting Iraqi civilians has sparked two investigations after it was posted on the internet, the Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

The video has sparked concern that private security companies, which are not subject to any form of regulation either in Britain or in Iraq, could be responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocent Iraqis.


Lt Col Tim Spicer is investigating the incident
The video, which first appeared on a website that has been linked unofficially to Aegis Defence Services, contained four separate clips, in which security guards open fire with automatic rifles at civilian cars. All of the shooting incidents apparently took place on "route Irish", a road that links the airport to Baghdad.

The road has acquired the dubious distinction of being the most dangerous in the world because of the number of suicide attacks and ambushes carried out by insurgents against coalition troops. In one four-month period earlier this year it was the scene of 150 attacks.

In one of the videoed attacks, a Mercedes is fired on at a distance of several hundred yards before it crashes in to a civilian taxi. In the last clip, a white civilian car is raked with machine gun fire as it approaches an unidentified security company vehicle. Bullets can be seen hitting the vehicle before it comes to a slow stop.

There are no clues as to the shooter but either a Scottish or Irish accent can be heard in at least one of the clips above Elvis Presley's Mystery Train, the music which accompanies the video.

Last night a spokesman for defence firm Aegis Defence Services - set up in 2002 by Lt Col Tim Spicer, a former Scots Guards officer - confirmed that the company was carrying out an internal investigation to see if any of their employees were involved.

The Foreign Office has also confirmed that it is investigating the contents of the video in conjunction with Aegis, one of the biggest security companies operating in Iraq. The company was recently awarded a ?220 million security contract in Iraq by the United States government. Aegis conducts a number of security duties and helped with the collection of ballot papers in the country's recent referendum

Lt Col Spicer, 53, rose to public prominence in 1998 when his private military company Sandlines International was accused of breaking United Nations sanctions by selling arms to Sierra Leone.

The video first appeared on the website www.aegisIraq.co.uk. The website states: "This site does not belong to Aegis Defence Ltd, it belongs to the men on the ground who are the heart and soul of the company." The clips have been removed.

The website also contains a message from Lt Col Spicer, which reads: "I am concerned about media interest in this site and I remind everyone of their contractual obligation not to speak to or assist the media without clearing it with the project management or Aegis London.

"Refrain from posting anything which is detrimental to the company since this could result in the loss or curtailment of our contract with resultant loss for everybody."

Security companies awarded contracts by the US administration in Iraq adopt the same rules for opening fire as the American military. US military vehicles carry a sign warning drivers to keep their distance from the vehicle. The warning which appears in both Arabic and English reads "Danger. Keep back. Authorised to use lethal force." A similar warning is also displayed on the rear of vehicles belonging to Aegis.

Capt Adnan Tawfiq of the Iraqi Interior Ministry which deals with compensation issues, has told the Sunday Telegraph that he has received numerous claims from families who allege that their relatives have been shot by private security contractors travelling in road convoys.

He said: "When the security companies kill people they just drive away and nothing is done. Sometimes we ring the companies concerned and they deny everything. The families don't get any money or compensation. I would say we have had about 50-60 incidents of this kind."



A spokesman for Aegis Defence Services, said: "There is nothing to indicate that these film clips are in any way connected to Aegis."

Last night a spokesman for the Foreign Office said: "Aegis have assured us that there is nothing on the video to suggest that it has anything to do with their company. This is now a matter for the American authorities because Aegis is under contract to the United States."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/27/wirq27.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/11/27/i


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We have "reckless fiscal policies"

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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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Remember, if any of those people's families end up hating western people, it's because they hate our freedumb.

Also, those people seem very happy, as there getting mowed down, that we are over there. Don't they?

This was all done for them, don't they look happy!!!..

Edited by Anisotropic (12/15/05 08:16 PM)

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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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That is fucked up'd. But who knows who was doing the shooting, it could have been anyone.

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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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These people arent americans however Blackwater usa has a large outpost in Iraq. Im thinking these people doing this are Irish or Scottish.

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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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Damn quiet machine guns. About as loud as their voices.


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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: zappaisgod]
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...and people can't understand why in the fuck other countries would want to bomb us.

even if the dude/group isn't american, they're acting in conjunction with our military, so they REPRESENT us.

Personally, I am ashamed of this type of conduct.

It's only makes us look bad.


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Hope for the best
and the rest was written.

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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: mitchdot]
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Yeah all that matters is that theyare westerners. It is really fucked up. they need to find the ones responsible for that and hang them. publically


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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
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Those guys need to be hanged.


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2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."

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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: Divided_Sky]
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We know nothing about this right now. I reiterate my previous post. Damn quiet machine gun. Barely louder than conversation level.


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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Whoever is shooting, they cant fucking hit a board side of a barn.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
We know nothing about this right now. I reiterate my previous post. Damn quiet machine gun. Barely louder than conversation level.


I thought about that, I simply figgered that it was mixed down. I mean you can see the cars that got hit, their windows were shattering, atleast on one of them.


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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Check this out when it comes to marksmanship:

http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/480-1090.asp

(and yes thats what happens to a body with a .50cal)


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (12/16/05 05:05 PM)

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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
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nakors_junk_bag said:
zappaisgod said:
We know nothing about this right now. I reiterate my previous post. Damn quiet machine gun. Barely louder than conversation level.


I thought about that, I simply figgered that it was mixed down. I mean you can see the cars that got hit, their windows were shattering, atleast on one of them.


Maybe, just maybe, the fire isn't coming from the car. It's coming from someplace else. Maybe it's just to show how dangerous the road is. Can you even mix gunfire down enough so that conversation is still heard? And, given the obvious low quality of the tape, that's probably beyond these guys. Like I said, I don't know, but this has a piscene stench to it. And too many people are too quick to point fingers.


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Re: Foreign Iraqi Contractors joyriding and killing people. [Re: zappaisgod]
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The depthness on the sound of a machine you cant hear very well on a videotape. The only thing you really hear is the supersonic crack which is made primarily by higher velocity and small calibered weapons primarily by .223 rounds.

The gun these contractors have is likely a M4A1 which is a shortened version of m16a2.

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