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OfflineSkikid16
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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Zahid]
    #3141206 - 09/15/04 09:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Zahid, honestly, do you think that we (the US) should just pull out with out helping to establish a well equiped and well trained security force?

I think that is being very shortsighted. I never thought this was a good war to begin with, but now that we are there, i think we should do everything to make Iraq secure and not turn into a Power Vacuum.

Is that not a reasonable position?


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Skikid16]
    #3141234 - 09/15/04 09:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

The Soviets tried to establish a security force in Afghanistan, too.


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Zahid]
    #3141302 - 09/15/04 09:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Took them 10 years to lose, took us three months to win. We aren't the Soviets, we are the result of rich motherfuckers building awesome fucking weapons in the best nation on earth. Nah Nah.


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: retread]
    #3141319 - 09/15/04 09:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, what is happening in Iraq is almost the same as what happened in Afghanistan in the 80's. It took less than two months in 1979 for the Soviet Army to march into Kabul.


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Zahid]
    #3141332 - 09/15/04 09:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Less than three weeks for the coalition forces to take Baghdad.

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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Zahid]
    #3141351 - 09/15/04 09:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Zahid, you didn't answer my question....

Do you truly think the best course of action for the Iraqi people would be an immediate withdrawl?

I mean, I've heard you say before that the noble mujahideen would take power, but do you honestly, putting religious thought, faith, and a shitload of hope aside, think that there would not be an immediate and dire spiral into chaos?


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Phred]
    #3141352 - 09/15/04 09:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Don't get too confident, I gave myself a margin of error, I'm not very versed in the initial Soviet invasion, just the insurgency that occured afterwards.

That doesn't change that American soldiers are dying, thanks be to God.


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Skikid16]
    #3141355 - 09/15/04 09:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you truly think the best course of action for the Iraqi people would be an immediate withdrawl?




Yes.


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Zahid]
    #3141370 - 09/15/04 09:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

And you don't think the country would spiral into violent (well more violent than currently) anarchy?


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Zahid]
    #3141398 - 09/15/04 10:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Zahid writes:

That doesn't change that American soldiers are dying, thanks be to God.

:eek:


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Phred]
    #3141432 - 09/15/04 10:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

pinksharkmark said:
Zahid writes:

That doesn't change that American soldiers are dying, thanks be to God.

:eek:


pinky




Does what he vomits out of his head really shock you at this point?

Zahid, how would you feel about the UN taking control of the occupation?


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Gijith]
    #3141487 - 09/15/04 10:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I think that Zahid's ideal turn of events would be the PLO running the Jews into the ocean to die and the <insert group here> Muslims killing all whities in the world. He must have taken to crack recently.


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Gijith]
    #3142017 - 09/16/04 12:35 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Gijith said:
Quote:

pinksharkmark said:
Zahid writes:

That doesn't change that American soldiers are dying, thanks be to God.

:eek:


pinky




Does what he vomits out of his head really shock you at this point?

Zahid, how would you feel about the UN taking control of the occupation?




Shocking? It seems to be the norm for Americans to celebrate the deaths of mujahideen in Iraq.

For the second point, I feel the U.N. has proved itself useless since Bush completely ignored it.


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: retread]
    #3142117 - 09/16/04 12:55 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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retread said:
I think that Zahid's ideal turn of events would be the PLO running the Jews into the ocean to die and the <insert group here> Muslims killing all whities in the world. He must have taken to crack recently.




The intifadah is not a fool's war. Palestinians are well aware that Israel is there to stay. There are millions of Israelis and only about 600 or so have been killed since the popular uprising began in 2000 - while thousands of Palestinians have killed since that date. The purpose of Palestinian resistance is to resist Jewish settlements on Palestinian land, to resist the IDF's occupation of Palestinian lands, and to send a not so friendly reminder to Israel that nothing less than East Jerusalem and the Right of Return will be accepted. Driving jews into the sea brings up a mathematical delimna, and most Palestinians can do the math. All this 'Drive them into the sea' talk is psychological war fare.


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3142143 - 09/16/04 01:01 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Zahid, there are 6 million Israelis and 2 million Palestinians. In 1948 500,000 left their homes and now 5 million want the right of return. Not only have most of these people never even been to Israel, but if they all came back Palestinians would outnumber Israelis and the state of Israel would cease to exist. The Israeli constitution says Israel is a Jewish state and have a Jewish majority. The Right of Return for people who never lived there in the first place would mean the end of Israel.

It might not be pushing the Jews into the sea, but it is certainly not an acceptable condition for peace. That's kind of like saying, I won't jump you for your wallet if you give it to me without a struggle.


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3142197 - 09/16/04 01:14 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Zahid, there are 6 million Israelis and 2 million Palestinians. In 1948 500,000 left their homes and now 5 million want the right of return

People tend reproduce human beings - and occupation can last generations.

Not only have most of these people never even been to Israel, but if they all came back Palestinians would outnumber Israelis and the state of Israel would cease to exist. The Israeli constitution says Israel is a Jewish state and have a Jewish majority. The Right of Return for people who never lived there in the first place would mean the end of Israel.

Again, this is probably the best example of Zionist fascism. Had it not been for the occupation and the racist policies of the State of Israel, these Palestinians would be living 'in' Israel to begin with. Who cares if Jews are a minority? How does that effect anyone other than some stupid fascist ideology. If Jews want to live in the Holy Land, that is find. But there are other people there too.


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Zahid]
    #3142790 - 09/16/04 08:34 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Zahid said:
It seems to be the norm for Americans to celebrate the deaths of mujahideen in Iraq.



Maybe you should lay off the drugs dude. What is filtered and perverted through the clouded mind of a Muslim fanatic is often at odds with reality, it is not the norm for Americans to celebrate the deaths of anyone in Iraq. However, it is the norm for Americans to be disgusted with fanatics who have no qualms about taking the lives of the innocent (even innocent Muslims), who celebrate their barbarity in the name of their imaginary friend 'allah' while incongruously claiming that theirs is 'a religion of peace.'


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Evolving]
    #3144541 - 09/16/04 04:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Muslim blood is cheap. Thousands of Muslims have been butchered in Iraq from American bombs and Americans are getting worried because troop deaths have surpassed the 1000 mark.

Muslim blood is cheap to the Americans.


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: Zahid]
    #3144549 - 09/16/04 04:23 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

:penis: :penis: :penis: :penis: :penis:


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Re: Insurgents Target Iraqi Police; 59 Dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #3144561 - 09/16/04 04:26 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Address the topic or stay out of the thread.

Thank you.


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