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Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened?
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My roommate, girlfriend, and I were all sitting around last night, when I get a call from my friend. He asks if he can stay the night, because he needs to catch a train near my apartment in the morning. I say, yeah sure come on over.

He (we'll call him Fred) gets here, and shortly after, we begin to smoke some marijuana. It's now 30 minutes later, and Fred has smoken a good deal of pretty strong marijuana, but no more than the rest of us. He tells us he would like to go up to the roof, and starts on his way. My roommate was going to join him in about 5 minutes. Just as my roommate is getting up to join him, we hear Fred shrieking outside.

My roommate and I burst out through the backdoor and onto the stairwell. My stairwell that leads up to to roof ends on my floor, and another stairway connects to the ground floor. Where the stairwell to the roof ends on my floor, there is open space under the stairs. We find Fred on the ground, behind the stairs, with his head wedged in between the floor and the underside of the first step. He's howling and screaming in Romanian and thrashing all over the place. Perplexed and horrified, we try to figure out what the hell is going on.

We soon realize he's having a bad trip. My roommate finds his headlamp (damn things come in handy) and my girlfriend explains to my now frightened upstairs neighbors that no one is being skinned in the house tonight. I quickly told her to simply tell them he was having a bad night terror and that everything is going to be fine. My roommate and I continue to try and calm him. He was literally screaming at the top of his lungs for about 3 minutes now (a long fucking time when you're tripping a little too, and you live in a crowded urban city).

He's still shouting in Romanian, and neither one of us can understand him. He continues to scream, and we can see him with the headlamp now: his head is decently wedged in there, but it's an easy fix. He's making it a lot worse than it really is, and must have been going through hell. I finally am able to get him to speak in English, and he's slowly calming down. He starts to regaining consciousness, and I get him to roll onto his right shoulder, and turn his head parallel to the ground. My roommate slides him out and we get him into the apartment.

The guy completely trips his balls off the rest of the night. We try to get him in the shower, and this seems to calm him down at first. Soon, however, he begins to feel very horny. He's trying to hump my roommate and I as he begins to lose control of his legs. We get him lowered as best we can, but he's thrashing around and hits his head lightly on the bathtub.

We get him out and he begins to calm again. He declare's he's fine and walks towards the office, falling through the doorway much like a tree with no limbs. We make sure he's ok and get him onto our bean bag. At this point my girlfriend is beginning to get extremely paranoid, and I don't blame her; we're making a lot of noise. I try to talk her down and tell her to put away anything illegal. I explain to her that they can't search our apartment, and everything will be ok as she starts in on her mission.

Fred ends up puking all over himself and the bean bag, on his back with his mouth wide-open sloshing around a large pool of vomit. My roommate wrestles him on to his side, and he begins to surge forth tide after tide of cilantro spotted bile. He declares he has seen god and that he is Jesus Christ. He asks that we baptise him, and we willingly agree.

After another eventful shower, he begins to regain himself more and more. It has now been about an hour since the whole episode began. He lied down on the bean bag and came in and out of his hallucinations, still convinced he was either Jesus or some kind of a prophet. Every once in a while, he bursts into tears. Whenever he comes back into consciousness, he insists he's having an amazing trip. He says he's loving it. We keep trying to explain to him that he's not showing it. His last words before he falls asleep are, "Guys, I think I might be schizophrenic."

Fred awakes this morning refreshed. After staying up all night and watching him, neither of us can say the same. My roommate takes him to the train station, and gets home a few minutes later. He reveals that Fred still may think he's Jesus Christ.

So what the fuck happened here? I've only come up with a few possible causes:

- His first time ecstacy trip two weeks prior (he did get a little weird then. Could this some how make him very sensitive to marijuana?

- Strong marijuana, and a light user.

- Over exhaustion from a recent long distance bike ride (which he actually had to visit the doctor for).

- Concussion: This wouldn't explain the beginning of his trip, but it might account for some of the later parts. He did knock his head a few times (his pupils looked fine in the morning).

- God deemed my friend worthy of being his resurrected son, and was simply putting him through the hazing ritual.



Ideas?


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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Jfisher]
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I dunno. I've never heard of anyone doing anything like that just on weed. Maybe he's just a little wierd. I sure wouldn't let him smoke pot around me again, if I were you......

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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Le_Canard]
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maybe it had a little to much pcp on that weed.


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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Jfisher]
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lol

he is insane is all

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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Le_Canard]
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Yeah, I thought it was bizarre too. I suspected him of taking something else for a while, but he really didn't. It's just strange, because he's smoked with us a few times before.


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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Jfisher]
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And there's no pcp on the weed. It's medical, our friend got it straight from a cannabis club. I've smoked plenty of it.


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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Jfisher]
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maybe he dropped a few tabs before coming round and forgot to mention it

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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Jfisher]
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I think he might be scitzo to begin with, no I have never seen anything like that on weed alone, I was paranoid as fuck the first few times i smoked weed..but after that no big deal, I never seen that reaction to any drug in fact...

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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Skunk420]
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I've seen myself act near similarly on mushrooms. However, I know that there was nothing else he took. I spoke with him the next morning.


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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Jfisher]
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That's the wildest story I've ever heard from someone just smoking some weed. He tripped for an entire night from some marijuana? That's just madness. I'm at a loss of words. I don't think a concussion could bring all that on though, pretty safe to rule that out.


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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Jfisher]
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I always had fun tripping, on anything..but that is just me..

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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Skunk420]
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Right, but this was fucking horrible.  :wink:


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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Skunk420]
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he had to of taken something, maybe he took it before he got to your place. I could not imagine that happening on weed alone, something else had to have been involved, maybe he just isn't telling you or he forgot.


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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: McKennaFan200]
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How old is he? Schizophrenia usually starts manifesting itself in the persons' twenties and can be exacerbated by drug use. Hallucinogens in particular seem to set off wierd reactions in people that aren't properly diagnosed and medicated... once those neurotransmitters start getting out of whack, anything that modifies their action can precipitate a psychotic break. This can resolve when the drug wears off, or last for days-weeks-months-years afterwards. It really depends on how prone this person is to chemical imbalences and what your taking.

I wouldn't be surprised with that kind of reaction if he is still a bit out of whack, he may stay that way for a while... personally, I wouldn't go giving him anymore mind altering substances for his safety and your own.


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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Jfisher]
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Stories like this is what keeps marijuana illegal, marijuana, shrooms and LSD needs to be legal again like in the old days,,

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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Skunk420]
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Amen brother.  Just because people with schizoid behavior shouldn't use psychedelics, doesn't mean the "normal" adults in this shouldn't be allowed to use them legally at will. :rant:


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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: mediman0078]
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Never thought of the not remembering he took something idea... Could be.

I can't say I have "420 with fred" anywhere in my itenerary. Do you guys really think there's a possibility of serious permanent effects here?


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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Jfisher]
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I really don't know what to think about the whole thing. Marijuana triggering underlying schizophrenia? Never really heard of that problem before.


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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Skunk420]
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As for the marijuana illegality, sure it does prove that some people react badly to some substances. However, not all substances that humans react badly to are illegal. Not all of these substances are drugs, but alcohol for instance, creates situations just as bad if not worse all the time.


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Re: Bizarre reaction to ganja... What could have happened? [Re: Jfisher]
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It may not have triggered anything.... then again, who's to say it didn't. You'd honestly have to get a medical work up done to know what is going haywire... It's hard to give medical advice when I can't actually evaluate the person and their behavior. Personally, I've treated a lot of schizophrenic and schizo-affective people that have come into the ER/ICU because they freaked out after taking something they shouldn't have been messing with... seems to happen a lot with methamphetamine users who have these underlying conditions. Does he have a history of speed or coke use?


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