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 Kalendula
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 Are aborts the most potent? 
#4604369 - 08/31/05 04:16 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psilocybe Fanaticus states that aborts are the most potent out of all the mushrooms, even the big, juicy ones. They also say to pick the mushrooms before the veil breaks. All of the info and posts on this site seem to contradict this, so what's the deal?
Here's what PF says:
Over half of the small primordia that first form will abort (cease growing, convolute and deform). Pick these before their heads turn black. A pointed knife blade works well for removing these high potency primodia. These are among the most potent. The abortive mushrooms are also high potency. Harvest them when they are young and before their heads turn black. When the fruitbodies are normal, harvest them before the veil under the cap breaks. The mushrooms will be smaller and their heads will be roundish. It is important to note that the mushroom cakes pictured in this book are all mostly well matured. While these mature specimens are beautiful and perfect, they are not as potent as the diminutive specimens. The mature specimens are good for spore collecting and showcasing but are weak in psychedelic potency.
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Edited by Kalendula (08/31/05 04:16 PM)
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PsyWonderCap
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: Kalendula]
#4606200 - 08/31/05 10:13 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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that info is based off of weight vs "magic"
its almost an ethics thing. If you pick JUST before the veil breaks, you are giving your customers more bang for there buck (weight). If its for you and your one of the peeps that dont like the wonderful tastes of mushrooms, you yourself would benefit from less mushroom taste for you magic.
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kingfish4200
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: PsyWonderCap]
#4606347 - 08/31/05 10:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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i allso asked the same question and had alot of people tell me that was BS basicly that alot of people have done it both ways and noticed no loss of potantcy. try it yourself and see what you think. thats what i plan on doing 
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bob_smith93456
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: kingfish4200]
#4606806 - 09/01/05 12:08 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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make sure to post your results, i'm curious
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SHROOMpimp
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all my peeps say that the little aborts are very potent per dry gram VS. dry grams of normal shrooms. and as far as the age of harvest, back in the day i picked before the veil broke. Now, i pick shortly after the veil breaks and before the cap goes flat and my folks like them a lot better. they say that they're prettier, and just as potent.
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GanGreeN
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: SHROOMpimp]
#4902306 - 11/06/05 09:54 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was under the impression that aborts were supposed to be discarded? Are they poisonous or no?
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 jarroddupont
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: GanGreeN]
#4902344 - 11/06/05 09:59 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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lets say you have an 1/8 oz of mushrooms.
If that 1/8th include (7) .5 gram mushrooms...compared to 3.5 (1) gram mushrooms....you're going to want the first one.
Because psilocybin is produced in the earlier stages of fruiting, a half mature mushroom is close to as potent as a mature one. Thus, having (7) .5 gram mushrooms in an eighth versus 3.5 (1) gram mushrooms in an 1/8...you're getting about double the bang for your buck.
Aborts aren't poisonous as long as you get them before they rot.
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Edited by jarroddupont (11/06/05 10:00 PM)
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GanGreeN
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: jarroddupont]
#4902401 - 11/06/05 10:08 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow! I did not know that. So 1 small mushroom would have the same potency as one 3 times it's size? Meaning your would trip just as hard off the little one as you would the big one?
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jarroddupont
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: GanGreeN]
#4902419 - 11/06/05 10:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not necessarily, that is just a general idea. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's JUST as potent as 1 3 times it's size, but as for psilocin content to size ratio, the smaller ones are better.
This is what I do...
I pick all my mushrooms when they're about 3/5 as big as they are going to get...I get a better trip out of the same weight of mushrooms, and I get more flushes because the extra 2/5 that I didn't let them grow, is saved nutrients for subsequent flushes.
This is what I do and I've had great results from doing so.
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"All mushrooms are edible, but some only once."
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Edited by jarroddupont (11/06/05 10:12 PM)
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GanGreeN
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: jarroddupont]
#4902465 - 11/06/05 10:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thats a really good idea! I have been readin on this site for about a year now and I never read anything liek that before. Thanx 
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: GanGreeN]
#4902537 - 11/06/05 10:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Probably because it's wrong!
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jarroddupont
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: Rejak]
#4902558 - 11/06/05 10:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rejak: Do some research and post something in this thread, or via PM, w/e...that says this is not correct.
I'd be very interested in reading something that contradicts my EXPERIENCE.
Jarrod~
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Land_Crab
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: Kalendula]
#4902611 - 11/06/05 10:44 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can state without a doubt that aborts are more potent. I recall saving 2 to 2.5 grams of aborts--which is actually a very small dose for me (since I'm on antidepressants); I usually start at 5.5 grams. I ate the aborts, and it felt like I took maybe 6+ grams.
And harvesting them after the veil has broken is fine. My conclusion is that whatever difference there is by waiting another 12 to 24 hours for the veil to break is negligible. I personally like to wait for the caps to open, because there's a little more weight and they look prettier in the end; (though you may have to end up wiping off some of those heavy spore deposits from some caps).
I've never heard or seen any of the pros on this site make a serious point of picking them before they open up.
- Also, if you look at psiloc(yb)in as a natural defense mechanism, (which is what it is), it makes the most sense that the concentration should be highest around the fruiting stage.
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jarroddupont
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: Land_Crab]
#4902654 - 11/06/05 10:52 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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REJAK: Where you at man?
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: Land_Crab]
#4902666 - 11/06/05 10:54 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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aborts definatly pack a tasty punch. i eat one gram of those and its all over, too many theeth showing for too many hours, perfect. its not magic, its just what mr dupont was saying.
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Rejak
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: jarroddupont]
#4902735 - 11/06/05 11:07 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fresh aborts are more potent than fresh mature shrooms per wieght - because they contain less water.
Dried, there is very little difference.
 do some research?
No offence intended, but I've probably been cultivating longer than you've been wiping your own ass.
Besides potency is subjective, you want twice the bang, eat twice as much!
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jarroddupont
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: Rejak]
#4902765 - 11/06/05 11:15 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I beg to differ "Dried, there is very little difference."
I say this from EXPERIENCE. You probably have been growing for years. I've been growing a little over a month. I'm not telling you that you need to research to educate yourself, I said do some research and show me something in text, not your words, but that has been written by someone that's tested this.
So you're saying the following statement is incorrect?
-Psilocybin is produced in early stages of fruiting
If that's not what you're saying, then you're contradicting yourself.
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"All mushrooms are edible, but some only once."
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Edited by jarroddupont (11/06/05 11:16 PM)
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Rejak
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: jarroddupont]
#4902799 - 11/06/05 11:27 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you believe your 1 month of experience equals my 30+ years of cultivating?
Just curious
There are no scientific assays done to support your statements or mine, just old opinions of differnt results, so I wont argue the point with you.
Two years ago they said Morels could not be commercially grow indoors, but it is being done now.
If you realy want to learn through experience, either get experience, or listen to those that have it.
Later my friend
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: jarroddupont]
#4902800 - 11/06/05 11:27 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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heres a link about the potency of aborts from mother russia:
http://www.rand.org/publications/RB/RB5055/
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Rejak
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Re: Are aborts the most potent? [Re: Omnicracker]
#4902808 - 11/06/05 11:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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