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Re: Making aborts on purpose? [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7433014 - 09/20/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

it just doesn't seem likely that you'd be able to produce enough aborts for this argument to matter

i don't get many abort clusters

but why not just pick the pins before they mature?
i guess what i'm asking is, why do you need alot of aborts when you could just pick alot of pins?


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Re: Making aborts on purpose? [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7433018 - 09/20/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'd question this as a way of more "efficient" production. The whole cellular-replication, not cellular-division thing makes me question whether less nutrients-per-psilocybin unit would be achieved by aborted cakes.

I've had largely aborted bulk grows, and although the obvious point is that whatever made them abort caused poor conditions...I've never witnessed what seemed to be more psilocybin out of an aborting tray.


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Re: Making aborts on purpose? [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7433093 - 09/20/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

apologize if anyone said this already honestly didnt read every post but y dont you just pick them while thewy are still like one inch pins i would think its kinda the same could be mistaken though


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Re: Making aborts on purpose? [Re: anarchOi]
    #7435629 - 09/21/07 08:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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i guess what i'm asking is, why do you need alot of aborts when you could just pick alot of pins?




Well, from what I've seen, they don't seem to blue quite the same. It may be that the huge quantity of psilocybin in aborts develops after the growth has stopped. That's definitely my suspicion, since the insanely-potent aborts were sitting on my cakes for several days before harvesting (almost pushing the limit of rot in terms of timeframe, but not rotten), and were such a deep blue when they came off that they didn't look like cubes at all.

If that is part of the cause--the continued production of psilocybin after abortion--that may explain why some people have had insanely potent aborts, and some have noticed little or no difference. It would depend upon the picking time. Just a hypothesis.


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Re: Making aborts on purpose? [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7436155 - 09/21/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

have you ever tried eating pins?

if you really wanna maximize substrate use, take your cakes, break them up in a plastic bag, then fill as many jars as you can with an inch of the cake substrate, put 1/4-1/5th inch casing on it, straight verm is alright

then fruit those, like you would casings, you'll get big yeilds of uber small mature mushrooms with i believe full potency, they dry to the size of toothpicks

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Re: Making aborts on purpose? [Re: anarchOi]
    #7436166 - 09/21/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Small isn't the issue as much as weight of psilocybin to substrate. He's planning on aborting the mushrooms intentionally on the supposition that psilocybin floods aborts.

Make a bunch of small shrooms, you have...a bunch of small shrooms.


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Re: Making aborts on purpose? [Re: figgusfiddus]
    #7436195 - 09/21/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, from what I've seen, they don't seem to blue quite the same. It may be that the huge quantity of psilocybin in aborts develops after the growth has stopped. That's definitely my suspicion, since the insanely-potent aborts were sitting on my cakes for several days before harvesting (almost pushing the limit of rot in terms of timeframe, but not rotten), and were such a deep blue when they came off that they didn't look like cubes at all.

If that is part of the cause--the continued production of psilocybin after abortion--that may explain why some people have had insanely potent aborts, and some have noticed little or no difference. It would depend upon the picking time. Just a hypothesis.




Have we established that more blueing = more psilocybin? I've never heard that confirmed by anybody I trust...

Besides, if you beat up your mushrooms they will blue more, but obviously the act of pinching a mushroom is not going to add any psilocybin to it. My most potent batch bruised very little.

In any case, I have found aborts to be far more potent that larger mushrooms; 2-3 times per unit weight I'd guess. But to grow significant amounts of them would seem not worth it to me. Why not let them grow and have 50 times the yield?


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Re: Making aborts on purpose? *DELETED* [Re: veilbreaker]
    #7437177 - 09/21/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Making aborts on purpose? [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7437243 - 09/21/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It would be fairly easy to isolate a high abort producing strain on agar. After doing your isolations, you fruit each new strain to test for qualities. Some strains produce insane pinsets, but of course there's no way the substrate can support them, so most abort. Strains like this would be what you want.
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Re: Making aborts on purpose? [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7442034 - 09/22/07 10:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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ahh but you would have the same yield theoretically right? same amount of nutes but they would be used more efficiently because aborts have huge psilocybin content yet small mushroom matter. theoretically, you'd have almost the same mass of shrooms yet 2 or 3 times more psilocybin.




I don't know how you figure you'd get the same yield. Your pinset is your pinset; they'll either get bigger (increasing your yield) or they won't.

You aren't going to get forty aborts growing instead of one large mushroom.


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