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Define "ARMS"
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"THe right to bear arms"

That's nice. And gun lovers sure do quote it alot. Hell, i'm not a gun nut, and i support that right.

But what limits do we place on the individual and the "arms" they possess?

A handgun? a semi-automatic? an automatic? how about grenades? chemcial weapons? biological weapons? What should the individual not have the right to possess?


I hear gun supporters frequently use the reasoning "We need weapons to keep the government in check". So, what exactly can be free to the public.. what level of non-gov't intervention and freedom do we take on.. before it's not big brother restricting our rights that we're afriad of, but the individual or group that can possess the largest amount of powerful weapons?


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Re: Define "ARMS" [Re: DigitalDuality]
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since the time of the creation of the second amendment, "arms" has always referred to small arms of the type which would be carried into combat by a single citizen or soldier. "arms" meant standard infantry weapons... meaning rifles and muskets. it never referred to heavy weapons like cannon, which were called "ordnance".

now... i understand that weapons technology has greatly expanded how much destructive power can be carried by a single person, and i don't think it's wise to interpret the second amendment as protecting a right of people to own any weapon they are capable of carrying. i would say that the second amendment, at the greatest possible extent, protects a right to own the standard weapon of a single infantryman... a battle rifle. on the other hand, i can see that fully automatic rifles, given their power, may be called ordnance along with other man-portable weapons like RPG's.

A handgun?

arms.

a semi-automatic?

arms.

an automatic?

questionable.

how about grenades? chemcial weapons? biological weapons?

ordnance.

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Re: Define "ARMS" [Re: Anonymous]
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no the right to bare arms was there to afford us the same rights as the militia. we would be screwed if we were to try to rise up against the standing army we have with hunting rifles. the scare about the populas owning catagoryIII firarms is over glorified by fear monering. some counties actuall encourage their hunter to use supressors. to not disturb the local wildlife more then nessary. imagine that. but here you do not know the reasons why we have the right to bare arms. and equal arms as the military. stop following propaganda and start looking at the facts. and don't wory about the govenment coming for your hunting rifles. no they will first call them long range baby killing sniper rifles first before they ban those too.


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Re: Define "ARMS" [Re: DigitalDuality]
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In the Federalist Papers, the founding fathers discuss the needs for every person aged 18-40(maybe 39?) to be part of the militia. The argument is made that they should have access to the same weapons as the regular military soldier has. Basic small arms. Thats whta I'd say.

When the government wants to out-arm it's citizenry, bad things are to follow.


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Re: Define "ARMS" [Re: The14thWarrior]
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The 2nd Amendment makes all others possible.

A quote from the civil war novel, Killer Angels:

"Pointing fingers turns into pointing guns, because no one listins to pointing fingers"


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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