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The right to bear arms... in bars.
    #3967815 - 03/25/05 09:32 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/01/11/11635740.shtml

Gun enthusiasts hope to persuade state lawmakers to further relax handgun restrictions during the upcoming legislative session, but will face strong opposition from restaurant owners, educators and organizations seeking tighter gun controls.

Backers of the proposal want the mushrooming number of Tennesseans with gun permits to be able to carry a handgun into a restaurant that sells alcoholic beverages and to be able to leave their weapon locked in their car on school grounds as long as they are there for any ''legitimate purpose.''

John Harris of the Tennessee Firearms Association says permit holders have shown they are responsible and that restrictions should be relaxed.

''We have a large number of people who have been trained and certified and now, with a seven-year history of carrying in the state, we have a very low if not nonexistent incident rate,'' Harris said.

''We need to take that into consideration and make reasonable rules on where they can and should be carrying. Permit holders feel like the guns are safer to the general public, and to them in particular, if they are in the permit holder's custody and control rather than left unattended in vehicles.''

But the organization representing many of the state's restaurants is ''very much opposed'' to opening its establishments to gun-toting customers, said Ronnie Hart, lobbyist for the Tennessee Restaurant Association.

''It says they can carry (a firearm) but they can't drink? How long do you think that will last?'' Hart asked. ''It is prohibited right now to carry a firearm in a restaurant or bar. We are very much in favor of keeping that in place. Things happen so fast some times that you can't control them.''

The number of Tennesseans receiving conceal and carry permits jumped from 35,337 in 1997 to 99,130 last year, according to the state Safety Department. A count of permits issued so far this year was not available.

A move is also proposed that would allow honorably discharged veterans to skip the gun safety class that others are required to take to obtain a permit to carry a concealed firearm. The bill's sponsor, Rep. H.E. Bittle, R-Knoxville, said the proposed change was a matter of common sense, since veterans are already trained in firearm safety.

Legislation to place more restrictions on firearms may also be offered.

State Rep. Henri Brooks, D-Memphis, who heads a legislative committee that has been studying how to keep children safe from guns, says the committee is not yet ready to make a recommendation on what type of legislation, if any, it may offer.

Gun restrictions with respect to restaurants have already been relaxed somewhat.

Before last year, a permit holder could not carry his or her weapon into a business that sells alcohol for off-premise consumption. That made supermarkets that sell beer off-limits, Harris said.

That prohibition was removed and the law concerning restaurants was changed to allow a permit holder to leave his or her weapon locked in a car on the restaurant parking lot. Under present law, the gun cannot be carried inside, and that is what gun enthusiasts want to change.

Keeping a gun inside the car won't work, said gun enthusiast Steve Murray, adding that the law currently puts law-abiding citizens at a disadvantage. He said robbers now know people who exit restaurants that sell alcohol are potential targets because the patrons are unarmed.

Murray, of Mt. Juliet, has had a permit to carry a firearm for three years, and owns a jewelry repair business. He says he depends on a firearm for his protection.

The owner of one local restaurant that serves beer, however, said he was concerned about mixing alcohol and people who are legally permitted to carry firearms.

''If the gun's underneath the front seat of your car, and in the parking lot, that's good enough for me,'' said Fate Thomas of Fate's Pig & Pie restaurant on Charlotte Pike. ''I do not think it needs to be at the table with you.''

The organization representing most of the state's teachers is opposed to a proposal allowing guns on school parking lots.

''Our position would be that the law is really pretty tight right now on guns on school property and that's the way it ought to be,'' said Jerry Winters, lobbyist for the Tennessee Education Association. ''We see no reason to expand any law that would in any way put student safety in jeopardy.''


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3967851 - 03/25/05 10:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It should be up to the owner of the establishment whether or not to allow guns on their premises.


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: Silversoul]
    #3967919 - 03/25/05 10:45 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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It should be up to the owner of the establishment whether or not to allow guns on their premises.




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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: Autonomous]
    #3968087 - 03/25/05 11:54 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Why are firearm supporters referred to as "gun enthusiasts"? How come we're not refering to other side as control enthusiasts?


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #3968180 - 03/25/05 12:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Good point. I usually prefer the term 'gun control extremists.'


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: Autonomous]
    #3968327 - 03/25/05 01:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Wouldn't a gun control extremist be someone with extreme gun control views? I think restricting guns in bars is probably pretty low on the bar for extreme views.

Unless you're one of those people that labels everyone with a differing opinion an "extremist".


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: Phluck]
    #3968359 - 03/25/05 01:16 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Allowing people to posses guns and shit at a Bar? That is just fucking stupid Crazy!!!

No way would I vote for that shit, especially after working at PUB for six plus months kicking people out and 86'ing them too. Visions of the WILD WILD cowboy WEST come to mind.


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: Phluck]
    #3968401 - 03/25/05 01:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Unless you're one of those people that labels everyone with a differing opinion an "extremist".



The point of my sarcasm was to show by an opposite example how the left often labels people with quite reasonable views 'extreme' merely because they disagree with them. As far as guns in bars or restaurants, I have no issue with the owner of ANY property or business establishing rules as to what may be brought on to the premises. Government should not interfere by saying that owners of these establishments have to allow weapons to be brought onto the premises no matter what the licenses are granted to people. Respecting private property is all that is necessary.


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3968439 - 03/25/05 01:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Drinking and driving is against the law. Drinking and carrying a gun should be too. In fact I wish that was a law, posession of a firearm while intoxicated, regardless of whether you have a license to carry or not. It should be a damned felony. Just my opinion.


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3968521 - 03/25/05 01:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Gun control begins with the 5-0


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: unbeliever]
    #3968544 - 03/25/05 01:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It would still be illegal to drink in the bar while carrying a firearm. There is probably a provision in the right to carry laws there that says you can't be drunk with a gun in public.

The bars and restaurant industry is the majority of the opposition against the change in the law.

Apparently they don't want the choice to allow firearms in their establishment or not.


Also, it is legal to harvest roadkill in Tennessee. I think it may be illegal in every other state. They have robotic deer that they use in sting operations against people hunting from the road.

They actually move and act like deer. An officer sits and monitors the decoy and busts people who take shots at it.

Their economy is a raging wildfire right now. Like 7 or 8 states border them, so they've laxed their business regulations and taxes, and they are sucking the life out of every state around them.


Tennessee is the parasitic place to be.


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3968546 - 03/25/05 02:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yes. Take away all the 5-0's guns.


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: unbeliever]
    #3968568 - 03/25/05 02:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think guns should be legal everywhere in our society. I should have the right to defend myself in any given situation, without committing any crime.

For example, the school where that crazy kid took out 10 people just recently. If the pupils were given the right to bear arms, they could have finished him off right away preventing the blood bath.
That's a fact.

And at the bars it's essential we all carry guns, who knows what kind of lunatics lurking around in there. Can't wait for the automatic rifles to be legalized in my everyday life, no restrains.


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: Somaton]
    #3968584 - 03/25/05 02:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I think guns should be legal everywhere in our society. I should have the right to defend myself in any given situation, without committing any crime.

For example, the school where that crazy kid took out 10 people just recently. If the pupils were given the right to bear arms, they could have finished him off right away preventing the blood bath.
That's a fact.

And at the bars it's essential we all carry guns, who knows what kind of lunatics lurking around in there. Can't wait for the automatic rifles to be legalized in my everyday life, no restrains.




Yes becuase kids with guns in a class room = instantly trained swat team ready to repell fellow rampaging students without any additional or accidental violence. As for guns being legal everywhere in our society that's pretty vague. And besides my point was about it being illegal to be intoxicated and carry a firearm. If you're sober and carrying with a permit, that's fine by me.


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3968585 - 03/25/05 02:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Why the hell should they get guns? That's why cops always get killed, because there's an exchange of fire. If you take away the cop guns, when they try harassing someone they can just pull out their piece on the cops, tell them to take a step back, and then you get away from them and no one is hurt. Isn't that much cleaner than a shoot out. Oh what business did that cop have anyway pulling a random person over anyway. Drugs.. or something else involving the black market that by libertine philosophy should have been eliminated through legalization ages ago. :cool:


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: unbeliever]
    #3968596 - 03/25/05 02:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Drinking and driving is against the law. Drinking and carrying a gun should be too. In fact I wish that was a law, posession of a firearm while intoxicated, regardless of whether you have a license to carry or not. It should be a damned felony. Just my opinion.




I'm just going to assume you have never been hunting.



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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: unbeliever]
    #3968640 - 03/25/05 02:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It seems like you just failed to get my point.


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: d33p]
    #3968679 - 03/25/05 02:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Drinking and driving is against the law. Drinking and carrying a gun should be too. In fact I wish that was a law, posession of a firearm while intoxicated, regardless of whether you have a license to carry or not. It should be a damned felony. Just my opinion.




I'm just going to assume you have never been hunting.






Hunting while intoxicated is dangerous, stupid and the inevitable accidents that occur every year only provide ammo (hah) for the gun control lobbyists.


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: Somaton]
    #3968687 - 03/25/05 02:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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It seems like you just failed to get my point.




Your point seemed to be that an armed society is a safe society. Which is a reasonably plausible opinion. Extending it to young kids in the classroom however is sublimely absurd. If I am still "failing" to get your point, feel free to elaborate.


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Re: The right to bear arms... in bars. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3969201 - 03/25/05 04:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

At first I thought in bars = behind bars.

I'm very glad I miss read.

Alcohol + Guns = no good.


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