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Offlinemonoamine
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Lets's talk guns. (small arms)
    #2148460 - 12/01/03 03:40 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

This really isn't directly political per say,but they are tools of the military,which is certainly political,so I think this is the right forum. (Plus we have some known "gun nuts" here.)

I've been trying to learn the basics of firearms,but all the web sources seem to go way over my head. It's kind of like a MD specialist talking to his patient: he's used to talking to highly technical aspects of things with other professionals,so he subconsciously assumes his patients knows what he's talking about,when they really don't. (Sorry if that didn't make a whole lot of sense,but it's the only way I can think to put it.)

So can someone point me in the direction of a good beginners Gun FAQ or website or help me out themselves?

I also think this will help some gun phobic people in better understanding the issue of gun control.


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Anonymous

Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: monoamine]
    #2148638 - 12/01/03 07:29 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)



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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: ]
    #2148671 - 12/01/03 07:57 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

i want a rifle so bad.

i think i'm going to buy a .22, soon.

i wonder if my parents will shit themselves?


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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: ]
    #2148686 - 12/01/03 08:16 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

I'd feel very unsafe if people around me carried guns - I guess I'm gun phobic. Anyone has links to sites that treat such phobia?


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Anonymous

Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: ]
    #2148785 - 12/01/03 10:05 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

a .22 is great for target shooting but useless for anything else. you can shoot one all day comfortably and the ammo is dirt cheap, but they aren't very powerful at all.


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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: ]
    #2148876 - 12/01/03 11:01 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

yeah, thats what i wanna do, heh!

something fun to get me started. i've shot guns before, but not a lot,
and its been years.


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Anonymous

Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: zeronio]
    #2148878 - 12/01/03 11:02 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

i'd feel safer, provided i had one myself.

i probably will, when i'm twenty one.


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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: ]
    #2148890 - 12/01/03 11:10 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Buy a .22! You can get one right now dirt cheap, I would think. Since Christmas is coming up.

Just dont shoot your eye out.


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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: ]
    #2148917 - 12/01/03 11:27 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Quote:

mushmaster said:
a .22 is great for target shooting but useless for anything else. you can shoot one all day comfortably and the ammo is dirt cheap, but they aren't very powerful at all.




I've taken deer with my Ruger 10/22.


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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2148921 - 12/01/03 11:29 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Mono - What basics are you talking about? Inner workings and technical aspects of firearms? Target shooting? If you are into target shooting, an Israeli by the name of Oyoob (Spelling probably incorrect) has written numerous books that Paladin Press publishes that deal with combat shooting and practising for such events. Are you thinking of getting a long rifle, a shotgun, or a pistol?

Guns are a fun hobby, enjoy.


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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: ]
    #2148964 - 12/01/03 11:46 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

a .22 is great for target shooting but useless for anything else. you can shoot one all day comfortably and the ammo is dirt cheap, but they aren't very powerful at all.

are you kidding? a rifle using .22 caliber (an M4 for example (actually uses .223, but close)) is tremendously powerful. one shot can throw a man clear across a room. it's not so much the caliber of the bullet (the projectile part) that's important. muzzle velocity is much more important in terms of the "power" of a round, since kinetic energy = mass*velocity^2. looking at the size of the shell casing of a round can give you a good idea of the kinetic energy, so for example a .22 rifle round will be much more powerful than a .38 handgun round. a .22 caliber handgun, on the other hand, is pretty much useless. they are sometimes derided as "momentum guns" cuz you have to lunge foreward while pulling the trigger :wink:


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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2148986 - 12/01/03 11:57 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

The .223 is the standard American military bullet. The reason such
a small round is so deadly is because the .223 is engineered to
flip and gyrate when it hits its target. So, as the bullet enters
a person it flips about and moves in a bunch of random directions
which rips up the victim's insides. Often the bullet exits the body
in a completely non-linear manner. The whole intent is to rip up
the enemy combatant's insides and have him bleed to death. So,
the .223 bullet is not powerful at all, but it is deadly.


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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2149024 - 12/01/03 12:13 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

A .22 and a .223 seem to only be three thousands of a measurement off, but in reality, their are many more differences. Looking at the bullets will show that a .223 is MUCH larger than a .22. Length and amount of propellant mean a heavier, faster moving bullet.


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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2149042 - 12/01/03 12:19 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

True, the .223 is more powerful that the .22, but the deadliest
factor about it is its fragmentation and gyration abilities.


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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2149062 - 12/01/03 12:23 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

oh I know all about the .223, and I know what it does in the body. by moving inside the body in such a fashion, it imparts more of it's kinetic energy on the target (which is dissipated in the form of heat, deformation of the metal in the projectile and of course ripping apart your flesh and throwing you back - all this takes energy). the kinetic energy is what's important and I assume that's what mushmaster meant when he said "power". I can assure you that even a cheap .22 hunting rifle has plenty of kinetic energy (much more than your average handgun) though it might not have the same lethality of the .223 due to the different design of the rounds.

I was just making the point that the caliber of a bullet is not the best way to determine it's "power" or lethality. other factors, like the design of the projectile (hollow point, full metal jacket etc.) and the amount of gunpowder in the shell casing (which provides the velocity and the kinetic energy) are more important factors. just look at the equation, you double the mass of the projectile and you'll double the kinetic energy, if you double the velocity, you will quadruple the kinetic energy.



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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: monoamine]
    #2149072 - 12/01/03 12:26 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Nice try, monoamine, but this is in no way shape or form a question having to do with politics, activism, or law.

Which forum would you like me to move this thread to?

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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2149084 - 12/01/03 12:28 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

so how much does a .22 cost?


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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2149100 - 12/01/03 12:33 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

A .22 and a .223 seem to only be three thousands of a measurement off, but in reality, their are many more differences. Looking at the bullets will show that a .223 is MUCH larger than a .22

yeah a .223 is much larger (including the shell), but the projectile part of the .223 isn't much larger than a .22 projectile. the difference is in design and of course, the larger quantity of powder.


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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2149110 - 12/01/03 12:38 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

so how much does a .22 cost?

a 22 what? rifle? pistol? a 22 round?

you could get a "saturday night special" for about 40 bucks.. heh, cheap pieces of shit. don't bother. get a real gun. just go to Kmart lol!






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Re: Lets's talk guns. (small arms) [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2149128 - 12/01/03 12:47 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

i'm not talking about a .223, but a .22 LR, which is what people usually mean when they say .22.

they're quite different.


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