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OfflineJesusChrist
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Is it time for conservatives to dump the GOP?
    #4603934 - 08/31/05 03:52 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Is it time for conservatives to dump the GOP?
Mark Tapscott


August 28, 2005

Thanks to the incredible expansion of federal entitlements, regulations and pork spending sanctioned by the GOP leadership in Congress since 2001, there is virtually no chance that Big Government is going to be shrunk even a little any time soon.

And since there is no sign the folks running Congress are willing to change course, why shouldn?t conservatives dump the GOP?

Now, all you party loyalists who started gasping while reading that last sentence can take a deep breath. I?m not saying we should just up and bolt right now. What I am saying is this: The rebirth of limited government will remain a conservative pipedream as long as the people in charge of the GOP refuse to sober up.

Put another way, it?s time for an intervention. That?s when the family and closest friends and professional associates of an addict confront the abuser with an ultimatum ? get sober and get help now ? or else. The presence of the spouse with suitcases packed and the boss with pink slip in-hand helps the abuser realize the consequences of not getting help will be immediate and unpleasant. More than a few lives and careers have been saved over the years by such interventions.

But sometimes interventions work and sometimes they don?t. There is no guarantee that the GOP leaders will get the message, either. Quite frankly, I am not optimistic because I?ve seen the Stan Evans Law in operation for too long. Evans is the retired conservative activist/journalist who years ago said: ?When one of our people gets elected, sooner or later he [or she] stops being one of our people.?

Being elected to Congress or appointed to a high position in the Executive Branch to serve in a presidential administration can be a heady experience. Especially for Members of Congress, the perks of office can be overwhelmingly beguiling, so after a term or two the first and last thoughts of too many of our representatives begin to be focused on getting re-elected. Playing along with the powers-that-be in D.C. is often seen as the easiest path to re-election.

How beguiled have too many of ?our people? become? Think back to January 1995 when the Republicans assumed control of the House and Senate for the first time in 40 years. ?First the Berlin Wall, now Congress,? we shouted in unbelieving glee. There seemed nothing to stop the conservative agenda of cutting taxes, reducing spending, eliminating wasteful bureaucracy and pointless red tape, limiting the power of incumbency, making Congress more accountable and breaking up the Iron Triangles of special interests, bureaucrats and entrenched Democrats on Capitol Hill.

Yet here we are a decade later and what do we have to show for it? Taxes have been cut, welfare was reformed, a limited missile defense was approved and ? and ? and. Let?s face, friends, it?s a short list. Sure, there have been legislative victories but little of enduring substance from our domestic agenda has been enacted.

Among other things that have been enacted instead is Medicare ?reform,? the biggest expansion of the Welfare State since LBJ declared war on poverty. The sacred right of free speech is now subject to the whims of Congress through campaign finance ?reform.? Federal control of education has never been greater, thanks to a No Child Left Behind ?reform? that was mostly written by Teddy Kennedy. Pork barrel spending is at an all-time high. And as the government grows and the politicians crow, the entitlements crisis approaches ever closer, guaranteed to cause economic, political and social upheaval that will make the Great Depression look like a cakewalk.

Incredibly, after a decade of GOP control, the federal government is bigger, more powerful, costs more and is less accountable than it was when the Democrats were thrown out by voters in 1994 after four decades of mostly uncontested rule.

How would an intervention work on the political scene? I don?t have that answer. Some people suggest withholding campaign contributions. Others predict conservatives will stay at home in droves in the 2006 elections, possibly handing the Democrats a bunch of new seats in Congress and revived hopes of taking back the White House in 2008.

Perhaps such a turn of events would be the needed jolt, but it seems just as likely, given recent history, that only the names and party affiliations of those doing damage in Congress would change.

Got any suggestions?

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/marktapscott/mt20050828.shtml

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When Republicans get voted out of office, the party will have to start asking the hard questions of what they really accomplished.

Being a conservative in the Republican party is like being a black man in the democratic party. They don't really care about you, they take your vote for granted. They know that you would never vote for the other side because you distrust them more than anything.

I don't know why liberals don't like George Bush, seeing that he is basically a big government liberal who thinks that the government can solve your problems.

Fiscal conservatives and "small government" conservatives have been sold a bill of goods. But they lied to us. Now what do we do? The answer isn't to vote for a party that is still dominated by Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi, that is for sure. The death of the Democratic party as a viable alternative is the worst thing that could have happened to American.

We need better choices.


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Re: Is it time for conservatives to dump the GOP? [Re: JesusChrist]
    #4603965 - 08/31/05 04:00 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

fucking choices are

1)Socialism

or

2) Socialism Light.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Re: Is it time for conservatives to dump the GOP? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4603983 - 08/31/05 04:06 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

its sad how weak the republicans are.

and they will keep winning because more than half of America will not vote for a party (democrats) that has a motto

vote for the Dem's! "we will raise your taxes and let you be the Muslims Bitch."


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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Is it time for conservatives to dump the GOP? [Re: JesusChrist]
    #11931767 - 01/30/10 09:19 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

obama


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Re: Is it time for conservatives to dump the GOP? [Re: RaiseTheDead]
    #11931965 - 01/30/10 09:47 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

going down.


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Re: Is it time for conservatives to dump the GOP? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #11932364 - 01/30/10 10:55 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:"we will raise your taxes and let you be the Muslims Bitch."




Reagan raised taxes, Bush let 9/11 happen and didn't catch Osama, 'nuff said.


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Re: Is it time for conservatives to dump the GOP? [Re: jimbotron]
    #11934347 - 01/31/10 09:59 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Bush let 9/11 happen?  How preciously daft.  Obama hasn't captured bin Laden either.  I suppose you think all they need to do is wave a magic wand.


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Re: Is it time for conservatives to dump the GOP? [Re: jimbotron]
    #11946858 - 02/02/10 11:33 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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jimbotron said:
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lonestar2004 said:"we will raise your taxes and let you be the Muslims Bitch."




Reagan raised taxes, Bush let 9/11 happen and didn't catch Osama,




"nuff said."


thank you.


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Re: Is it time for conservatives to dump the GOP? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #11949491 - 02/02/10 07:39 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I strongly encourage conservatives leaving the GOP.  Perhaps they should join the Tea Party and run candidates in the up coming elections.


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Re: Is it time for conservatives to dump the GOP? [Re: Smackshadow]
    #11949659 - 02/02/10 08:04 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Or just take the fucker over.


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Re: Is it time for conservatives to dump the GOP? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11966882 - 02/05/10 08:01 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)



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to one who is striking at the root."
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Re: Is it time for conservatives to dump the GOP? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11978643 - 02/07/10 12:14 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Or just take the fucker over.




There is a good amount of baggage there that you would inherit.

I think that, as a Conservative, you underestimate the amount of ill will that the Republican brand has built up over the years amongst many voters.

It is much easier for someone to discount even a solid idea if it comes from a party that that person is habituated to being opposed to.

I think there is something to be said for a new political movement that is divorced from the, in my view, tarnished legacy of the Republican party and all of the fucked up things it stands for.  It is a simple fact that when I think "Republican" I think of gay-hating, freedom-trampling, and nation-invading.  I think many others hold the same views.  Fair or not, these are the impressions of many people.

Overcoming those impressions while remaining under the security and comfort of the Republican umbrella is certainly possible, but in my opinion neither easy nor necessary.


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Re: Is it time for conservatives to dump the GOP? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #11980601 - 02/07/10 11:27 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
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zappaisgod said:
Or just take the fucker over.




There is a good amount of baggage there that you would inherit.




Baggage and organization.  As much as I would like to shed the religious nuts entirely I choose to just ignore them.  The Tea Party has it's share of that crap too.  Unfortunately. 
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I think that, as a Conservative, you underestimate the amount of ill will that the Republican brand has built up over the years amongst many voters.




And yet even those assholes get elected at a much higher rate than the party identification alone can account for.
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It is much easier for someone to discount even a solid idea if it comes from a party that that person is habituated to being opposed to.




Cuts both ways. 
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I think there is something to be said for a new political movement that is divorced from the, in my view, tarnished legacy of the Republican party and all of the fucked up things it stands for.  It is a simple fact that when I think "Republican" I think of gay-hating, freedom-trampling, and nation-invading.  I think many others hold the same views.  Fair or not, these are the impressions of many people.




And when I think of the Dems I think 100% freedom trampling.  When the Republican party sticks to fiscal conservatism they are the party of freedom.  We disagree very much over that nation invading nonsense.  I don't believe bending over and taking a solid screwing from thugs is freedom enhancing.  Ans as far as homo-hating where do you put Obama, who has come out foresquare against same sex marriage?  Or at least he did in the campaign.
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Overcoming those impressions while remaining under the security and comfort of the Republican umbrella is certainly possible, but in my opinion neither easy nor necessary.




Given that the Tea Partiers and a huge amount of the population remain oppressively religious that just doesn't seem like a hound we'll ever shake.  I'll just focus on the notion of fiscal and personal responsibilty.  Which group is that?  Hint, it isn't ever going to be the Dems whose agenda is to create a vast electorate of dependent class warriors giving them ever greater and greater power to legislate out the trans fats of our lives.  Joy killers, if you will.


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