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StickyWater
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: Organic]
#4594971 - 08/29/05 12:15 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: StickyWater]
#4594995 - 08/29/05 12:22 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol i just get really tired and way fucking retarted.
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i just recently had this happen to me also, but when i smoke it makes me see how fake the world is and some people are, i can say i dont really enjoy it because the other day was my last time smoking for a while. I layed on my couch staring at the wall while listening to one of the people i was hanging with talk to my sister, everything all at once going through my head, this kids a fake, hes just here for my sister, listen to his laugh its forced... i was going nuts on this damn couch. If i thought this when i hadn't smoked it woulda been yea hes fake w/e. This was in my head for a good 2 hours going back and forth in my mind about what the hell is with this guy.
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: prefloppro]
#4595122 - 08/29/05 01:01 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok MD, you know it all. I am sure you do have a MD with that great medical knowledge. lol.
It's not M.D it's M.O.D, I'm an M.O.D in O.D.D 
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It all in the mind. If you believe (just a simple thought) something is wrong something is going to be wrong. If you believe your sick, you re most likely going to be or get sick.
Ah, I see what you mean, now try to see my point: People who are walking around with not yet manifest problems tend to also have the feeling that "something is not right" with them.
You are right that people can think themselves into a problem, but don't forget it also might be instinct (correct or incorrect) warning him to steer clear.
When the most odd things went amazingly wrong in my life there have always been *signs* well before the fact that I casually dismissed.
Now schizophrenia, I don't think so. What Limelight is describing doesnt fit the picture. But he's also describing feeling insecure about doing drugs, yet unable to explain why he ends up doing them. That requires soulsearching. He definately has to sort out what the risks are and whether he wants to take them.
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I never once had a problem till I started using this site
You're welcome 
You're relying on a dangerous kind of safety: the safety of not knowing. When that was compromised by reading some stories of less fortunate members you yourself got in troubled waters.
Don't blame the messenger. If you're easily swayed by reading about the misfortune of some menbers, then the task before you (we all get tasks) is to stay centered and find your own way.
Even with weed, its as much self-exploration as it is a high. If you have overcome the obstacle correctly, then its a good thing the obstacle came on your path. After all you did learn to master yourself better, right?
We all get tasks, and Limelight's task is to find out whether or not it is OK for him to use pot and whatnot. Because its not OK for all.
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: PreparationH]
#4595126 - 08/29/05 01:03 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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PreperationH man the same happens to me. When I smoke I just detatch myself from society sort of like when I am tripping and I just see all the fake shit and all the bullshit. But the truth is we have to live with it so i may as well do the best and spread as much happiness and wisdom(not much of this yet) as I can.
I figured out that when I am actually in the act of smoking if I am not totally chill the thoughtloops and shit start happening but if I am totally chill the high is awesome. So, Limelight, just try smoking with one or two really good friends at a very comfortable spot with some good chill music and see how it goes.
When I am around people I do not regularly smoke with I get crazy thoughts about them and it seems like I can see right through their 'mask'. 'Mask' being how they want themselves to be portrayed to everyone else.
ITs hard to understand that society just travel along with their heads up their asses but we need to look where we are going and not where we are.
good luck man
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: Tangerines]
#4595479 - 08/29/05 03:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wiccan, you also have to realize that the study of marijuana and psychadelics aggrivating previous mental illnesses is still not a positive conclusion. As with all sciences and theories, its probability over absolute truth. Another theory is that one can actually force themselves into a state of dimentia by simply believing that they have it.
The human brain is still a VERY misunderstood organ and all research about it should be taken with a slight grain of salt. New research contradicts old research very often and very quickly in the field of psychology.
Granted, there is potential that marijuana and other psychadelics really do aggrivate mental illnesses and potentially force previously unknown mental illness to emerge. But again, its all gotta be taken with a slight grain of salt.
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: Tangerines]
#4595534 - 08/29/05 03:48 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tangerines said: When I am around people I do not regularly smoke with I get crazy thoughts about them and it seems like I can see right through their 'mask'. 'Mask' being how they want themselves to be portrayed to everyone else.
I couldn't have said that any better.
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: PreparationH]
#4595610 - 08/29/05 04:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just like anything else, set and setting. If you're sitting on a couch with a thousand things running through your mind at once, why not get up and take a quick walk outside? If not, then just listen to some good music, watch a funny movie, or play a game. Things like that happen to me from time to time, but as soon as I realize it, I try to change my atmosphere. It always does the trick.
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: OisatsanaYert]
#4595644 - 08/29/05 04:26 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the great advice guys this is why i love the shroomery.
And lastly, that is a good point about me liking drugs but not knowning why. That is only true with pot, and the reason for that is because i dont like thoughtloops, but i also realize its probably something that can be worked out, so i always have a feeling to 'try it again' and see how it goes. sometimes its good, sometimes its bad, but i think its all fine. just the environment and mood 
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: Limelight]
#4595646 - 08/29/05 04:27 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I LOVE the feeling of being 'out of my head' though. i like the eerieness associated with new unknown stuff. Its just the stupid thoughtloops shit or anything related to myself that usually goes bad. I have somewhat poor self image, although im in college now and working on it I'm not as bad as i make it osund.
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: Limelight]
#4595672 - 08/29/05 04:34 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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i wish i could get into a thoughtloop of something that actually means something to me. Because damn i could figure out so many problems if i did, but notice you only get into loops about the small petty things that you just couldnt care about.. ironic
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: Limelight]
#4596027 - 08/29/05 06:17 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wiccan, you also have to realize that the study of marijuana and psychadelics aggrivating previous mental illnesses is still not a positive conclusion.
That's not exactly true. If you look at diagnosed schizophrenics in a clinical setting then the ones using pot are significantly worse off on the whole than their non-pot peers. They get more relapses, especially sudden relapses, they are harder to lead away from the psychotic mindset, negative symptoms (lack of needed functioning) are more severe and they spend more time in the hospital and less outside. Because of this the Dutch psytchiatric community considers cannabis an aggrevating factor, worse than alcohol. They also make clear that heroin use is at times beneficially alleviates psychotic symptoms which shows their drug bias isnt too great.
And on the less tragic level: most people know that anxious people can get more anxious when on pot. The problem with medical theories is that you can easily question anything that is 99% proven, while 100% proof is never really attained. Better be safe than sorry, and whats safe we all got to decide for ourselves.
For most people weed is a great recreational drug, for some others however its worse than heroin.
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I have somewhat poor self image, although im in college now and working on it I'm not as bad as i make it osund.
Hey you're at the age (college) to work hard on your selfimage, thats a natural thing. Just make sure that whatever the outcome, you will feel that you did the right thing. Everybody has selfimage issues to some degree but make your choices by good thinking and gut instinct combined.
Euphoria only counts when you can make it last beyond the drug's effects. Stay high.
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KidgardFromSRQ said: one of the effects listed on erowids is racing thoughts & paranoia. your suffering from both. if i were you, seriously id take a xanax or two, drink a few beers to get a little tipsy and chill out.
"Avoid alcohol while taking Xanax" source www.drugs.com
thats some of the worst advise i have ever heard.
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: riby]
#4598671 - 08/30/05 10:48 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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"That's not exactly true. If you look at diagnosed schizophrenics in a clinical setting then the ones using pot are significantly worse off on the whole than their non-pot peers. They get more relapses, especially sudden relapses, they are harder to lead away from the psychotic mindset, negative symptoms (lack of needed functioning) are more severe and they spend more time in the hospital and less outside. Because of this the Dutch psytchiatric community considers cannabis an aggrevating factor, worse than alcohol. They also make clear that heroin use is at times beneficially alleviates psychotic symptoms which shows their drug bias isnt too great."
I agree that lots of research has backed this theory and there is always potential that it is indeed a fact...however, there is no scientific research that has EVER proven anything. Science's basic goal is to predict probability and promote logic. I'm reminded of Einstein's quote: "No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong."
I also agree that people should be very cautious about what they intake (especially with drugs) and always keep existing research in the back of your mind when making decisions, but I do not believe that any psychological research at this point should be taken as fact as that contradicts the core ideal of science.
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: Veter]
#4599324 - 08/30/05 02:40 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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this threads been a good read. i get the racing thoughts, and for me i found a good output for it: creativity. when im really, REALLY blitzed, i head to the computer and fuck around with music. i write when im stoned (most my english papers were written high, all A's). one downfall of this is when i get thinking too much when im trying to fall asleep, which makes falling asleep a chore. ive sat in bed for 3 hours not being able to sleep because i cant stop thinking about random shit.
if you get in that state, just step away and find something to take your mind off it. if your in a bad setting, or one where all you can do is be stuck in that loop, get outta there. games and movies are good, altho some movies will suck you right in lol (tried watching Saw while stoned, turned it off pretty fast because i was getting really warped).
im not a very social person, most know me as the quiet one, but i only get these things when im alone. if im with others and smoking, they vanish. go figure..
theres one thing id like to ask though, does anyone else get the shakes? sometimes ill start shaking like im really cold or shivering, even though im perfectly comfortable. kind of odd cheers
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: pH_]
#4599682 - 08/30/05 04:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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i don't know if this has been said but you HAVE to meditate man.
Marijuana is not a "recreational" drug per se, nor is it a spiritual drug per se.... it's a little of both... and if you're freaking out, just about the only thing you can do it about is lie down, plop in some earplugs if you have them and BREATHE.
breathe.
nothing more, nothing less, let go of anything that comes up, try to relax.
I used to go so mad crazy anxious and paranoid and then recently I discovered that the weed was going to either destroy me into an anxious wreck, or help me deal with my anxiety. So like, one day I smoked up a moderate amount, and I went and lied down and meditated.... my anxiety subsided.... I got up, felt great.... did my normal routine and felt soooooooo stoned but "naturally" somehow like the meditation enhanced it, then it just gradually faded away.
Marijuana exacerbates any mental problems you have, but in doing so it gives you a unique opportunity to overcome them.
as shitty as it is, as much as you want pot to just be a fun "haha let's watch tv" time... often times it isn't, and that's when "bad highs" or "paranoia" take in, and that means that you need to lie the hell down and forget about yourself and the world (as much as possible) until the high is over..... because to get high in the face of getting your anxiety worse and worse and worse each time will turn you into a mess, but to get high and to let go of that anxiety having faced it will turn you into a better person.
when i quit weed the last 2 times I quit it... I'd feel constant anxiety for 3-4 days after stopping..... I got paranoid way too much... so now I'm just trying to keep it real and to sort through my paranoid issues, to take everything as it is with acceptance, and to turn weed into a healing and enjoyable drug rather than an agent of paranoia and instability.
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Re: Lame question about Marijuana [Re: leery11]
#4599760 - 08/30/05 04:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only times I've ever had panick attacks (2ice) was when I was just starting out with pot and smoked too much. I'd get into this cycle: my heart rate was high so I think something bad is happening to me, it doesn't feel right, so I get even more scared, so my heart races even faster, then I get even more scared becasue then I'm SURE something is wrong. I got out of it by doing exacly what leery11, lied down, closed my eyes, and just breathed, and went to sleep.
Now when I get too high everything starts spinning and I puke occasionally, the last time being after an especially big gravity bong rip. I felt the THC rushing into my blood and 15 minutes later I couldn't keep my eyes open. I can control it 90 percent of the time, but once in a while I'll just give up and go puke.
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