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So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery...
    #4563229 - 08/21/05 05:34 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yep, thats right.  I have been communicating with the Osho (Zen Priest) for a while, and I am finally taking the step to my full ordination. Although that is still about 5-10 years away, I am moving in in about 6 months.  I feel its time.  I am going to study to become a Zen Master.  Its cool, I start out as an associate student, then general, then I become a probationary formal, then I take my laymonks vows, then postulant monk, then novice monk, then fully ordained monk. But I still have 6 months to really party it out!  So lots of psychedelics until then...  The reason I am posting this, is that I am still going to be able to access this page, and if any body has any questions relating to Zen, just let me know.  I cant guarantee I can answer them, as I got yelled at for talking about zen in an acid trip report I sent my teacher, but I will make every effort I possibly can.

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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4563241 - 08/21/05 05:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Wow that is a amazing accomplishments congratulations man you have my best wishes.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4563246 - 08/21/05 05:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

"I am going to study to become a Zen Master."

Then is it wise to enter into such a commitment with that ego? I also suspect that shrooms and acid will be scarce in the monestary. We have many other "Masters" ariound here...have you met them?


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4563347 - 08/21/05 06:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
"I am going to study to become a Zen Master."

Then is it wise to enter into such a commitment with that ego? I also suspect that shrooms and acid will be scarce in the monestary. We have many other "Masters" ariound here...have you met them?




That is the only predictable outcome at this moment.  My teacher likened it to travelling down a path.  If you dont turn around, you know you are going to make it to the other end.  My intention is to make the teachings available to those who seek them.  For that, I am dedicating my life to the "Straight Path."    Regarding shrooms and acid, I have had my fill, I find them so incredibly unfulfilling when it comes to the big picture.  I get high, but I always come back.  I aspire to step through the door completely. 

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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4563383 - 08/21/05 06:23 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
"I am going to study to become a Zen Master."

Then is it wise to enter into such a commitment with that ego? I also suspect that shrooms and acid will be scarce in the monestary. We have many other "Masters" ariound here...have you met them?




How about just becomming a wandering kung fu munk. Unknown to the world, yet having cosmic adventures in each episode. :thumbup:


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564153 - 08/21/05 09:47 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I have considered that. Leave out the martial arts though...I don't like getting my ass kicked. Why did Kain carry his shoes when he walked accross the desert? That sand had to be hot as hell.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564186 - 08/21/05 09:53 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Remember who you are talking about grasshopper. He burned the sholin dragons into his forearms and hardly cried at all.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564233 - 08/21/05 10:07 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Some cool things about being a wandering monk as opposed to a monastery monk. You could still get plenty of acid or shrooms. You could also get it on with all of the babes whose honor you saved with your mastery of the Tao. Also...no grumpy old men in robes to tell you what to do or hit you on the head with sticks.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564241 - 08/21/05 10:11 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

You've convinced me Hue. Lets do it! Of course I need to bring Veritas and the kids.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4564245 - 08/21/05 10:12 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

What do the Zen Master's at the monestary think of psychedelics?


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: MOTH]
    #4564265 - 08/21/05 10:17 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

"What do the Zen Master's at the monestary think of psychedelics?"

Very little. In Zen even hallucinations that occur in meditation are considered detritus of the mind. All occult phenomenon and dreams are classed as illusion and distraction as well. I practiced Zen for five years and found it to be a very disciplined, though restrictive, philosophical path. I have recently found Tibetan Buddhism to be more friendly with shamanic thinking as the Tibetan people have a deep shamanic ancestry. I have found a bit there that applies to me.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564279 - 08/21/05 10:20 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Wandering Zen Taoist Buddhist Shaman! I like it. :thumbup:


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564281 - 08/21/05 10:20 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I have a wife and three kids...so that puts a bit of a restriction on our actions as wandering monks. My son, however, is a great guitar player so we would have plenty of cool tunes...


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564295 - 08/21/05 10:23 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I think our familys would be assets. It gets hot and dusty wandering and saving humanity with our wisdom. It's nice to have a loving family to return to and a cosy bed.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564311 - 08/21/05 10:27 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

So I think the US sucks as a place to be a wandering hero. Too much traffic. We need to move.

I will start a new thread about this.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564318 - 08/21/05 10:28 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

There is a problem here...if we have to return that means we are not really wandering...we would have to take them.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4564331 - 08/21/05 10:30 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

So if you become a monk, do they let you live with them for free? Do you get vacation time or anything?


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564340 - 08/21/05 10:33 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

You don't know me Hue. I wander just trying to get to the bathroom.

We can be nomadic. I'm sure the kids and ladies will go for it. :thumbup: :rofl2:


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Mighty Bop]
    #4564438 - 08/21/05 10:51 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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So if you become a monk, do they let you live with them for free? Do you get vacation time or anything?




I can live there for free only after I become a practice advisor (1st level teacher), and it becomes my job.  As for vacation time, I dont know.  Id get to travel a lot to other Monasteries around the world Once I recieve Shiho Transmission (about 10 years), but again, I am not really sure.

As for the issue of psychedelics, they view it simply as another state that arises within experience.  It is not the state itself that one finds exciting, it is the contrast between the two. 

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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4564466 - 08/21/05 10:56 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

What's Shiho Transmission?


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