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So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery...
    #4563229 - 08/22/05 12:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yep, thats right.  I have been communicating with the Osho (Zen Priest) for a while, and I am finally taking the step to my full ordination. Although that is still about 5-10 years away, I am moving in in about 6 months.  I feel its time.  I am going to study to become a Zen Master.  Its cool, I start out as an associate student, then general, then I become a probationary formal, then I take my laymonks vows, then postulant monk, then novice monk, then fully ordained monk. But I still have 6 months to really party it out!  So lots of psychedelics until then...  The reason I am posting this, is that I am still going to be able to access this page, and if any body has any questions relating to Zen, just let me know.  I cant guarantee I can answer them, as I got yelled at for talking about zen in an acid trip report I sent my teacher, but I will make every effort I possibly can.

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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4563241 - 08/22/05 12:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Wow that is a amazing accomplishments congratulations man you have my best wishes.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4563246 - 08/22/05 12:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"I am going to study to become a Zen Master."

Then is it wise to enter into such a commitment with that ego? I also suspect that shrooms and acid will be scarce in the monestary. We have many other "Masters" ariound here...have you met them?


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4563347 - 08/22/05 01:14 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
"I am going to study to become a Zen Master."

Then is it wise to enter into such a commitment with that ego? I also suspect that shrooms and acid will be scarce in the monestary. We have many other "Masters" ariound here...have you met them?




That is the only predictable outcome at this moment.  My teacher likened it to travelling down a path.  If you dont turn around, you know you are going to make it to the other end.  My intention is to make the teachings available to those who seek them.  For that, I am dedicating my life to the "Straight Path."    Regarding shrooms and acid, I have had my fill, I find them so incredibly unfulfilling when it comes to the big picture.  I get high, but I always come back.  I aspire to step through the door completely. 

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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4563383 - 08/22/05 01:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
"I am going to study to become a Zen Master."

Then is it wise to enter into such a commitment with that ego? I also suspect that shrooms and acid will be scarce in the monestary. We have many other "Masters" ariound here...have you met them?




How about just becomming a wandering kung fu munk. Unknown to the world, yet having cosmic adventures in each episode. :thumbup:


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564153 - 08/22/05 04:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have considered that. Leave out the martial arts though...I don't like getting my ass kicked. Why did Kain carry his shoes when he walked accross the desert? That sand had to be hot as hell.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564186 - 08/22/05 04:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Remember who you are talking about grasshopper. He burned the sholin dragons into his forearms and hardly cried at all.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564233 - 08/22/05 05:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Some cool things about being a wandering monk as opposed to a monastery monk. You could still get plenty of acid or shrooms. You could also get it on with all of the babes whose honor you saved with your mastery of the Tao. Also...no grumpy old men in robes to tell you what to do or hit you on the head with sticks.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564241 - 08/22/05 05:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You've convinced me Hue. Lets do it! Of course I need to bring Veritas and the kids.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4564245 - 08/22/05 05:12 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What do the Zen Master's at the monestary think of psychedelics?


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: MOTH]
    #4564265 - 08/22/05 05:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"What do the Zen Master's at the monestary think of psychedelics?"

Very little. In Zen even hallucinations that occur in meditation are considered detritus of the mind. All occult phenomenon and dreams are classed as illusion and distraction as well. I practiced Zen for five years and found it to be a very disciplined, though restrictive, philosophical path. I have recently found Tibetan Buddhism to be more friendly with shamanic thinking as the Tibetan people have a deep shamanic ancestry. I have found a bit there that applies to me.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564279 - 08/22/05 05:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Wandering Zen Taoist Buddhist Shaman! I like it. :thumbup:


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564281 - 08/22/05 05:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have a wife and three kids...so that puts a bit of a restriction on our actions as wandering monks. My son, however, is a great guitar player so we would have plenty of cool tunes...


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564295 - 08/22/05 05:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think our familys would be assets. It gets hot and dusty wandering and saving humanity with our wisdom. It's nice to have a loving family to return to and a cosy bed.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564311 - 08/22/05 05:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So I think the US sucks as a place to be a wandering hero. Too much traffic. We need to move.

I will start a new thread about this.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564318 - 08/22/05 05:28 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

There is a problem here...if we have to return that means we are not really wandering...we would have to take them.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4564331 - 08/22/05 05:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So if you become a monk, do they let you live with them for free? Do you get vacation time or anything?


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564340 - 08/22/05 05:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You don't know me Hue. I wander just trying to get to the bathroom.

We can be nomadic. I'm sure the kids and ladies will go for it. :thumbup: :rofl2:


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Mighty Bop]
    #4564438 - 08/22/05 05:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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So if you become a monk, do they let you live with them for free? Do you get vacation time or anything?




I can live there for free only after I become a practice advisor (1st level teacher), and it becomes my job.  As for vacation time, I dont know.  Id get to travel a lot to other Monasteries around the world Once I recieve Shiho Transmission (about 10 years), but again, I am not really sure.

As for the issue of psychedelics, they view it simply as another state that arises within experience.  It is not the state itself that one finds exciting, it is the contrast between the two. 

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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4564466 - 08/22/05 05:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What's Shiho Transmission?


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564486 - 08/22/05 05:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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"What do the Zen Master's at the monestary think of psychedelics?"

Very little. In Zen even hallucinations that occur in meditation are considered detritus of the mind. All occult phenomenon and dreams are classed as illusion and distraction as well. I practiced Zen for five years and found it to be a very disciplined, though restrictive, philosophical path. I have recently found Tibetan Buddhism to be more friendly with shamanic thinking as the Tibetan people have a deep shamanic ancestry. I have found a bit there that applies to me.




Yes, Tibetan Buddhism makes a lot of sense to/for me.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564517 - 08/22/05 06:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think it might be some sort of venereal disease...or not??


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564534 - 08/22/05 06:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ouch!

Really though, I'm curious, what is it?


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564554 - 08/22/05 06:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think it is refering to ordination.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564590 - 08/22/05 06:19 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

WTF is that? :grin:


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564647 - 08/22/05 06:28 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You know...when you are ordained as a monk. They give you your monk robes...maybe a monk hat...then they tell you that you are a monk.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564688 - 08/22/05 06:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, Pomp and ceremony! Do they practice archery, or motorcycle mantainance? That part would be very cool.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564721 - 08/22/05 06:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Monks and motorcycles? Their robes would get caught in the wheels. How about a motocycle gang comprised of Zen monks?


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564735 - 08/22/05 06:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That wouldn't be pretty.

Hey, maybe they could learn to shoot from motorcycleback. And instead of robes wear short shorts.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564749 - 08/22/05 06:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

...and be female...


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4564757 - 08/22/05 06:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Do they accept broads into the Zen orders?


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4564760 - 08/22/05 06:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

DO you think you will ever desire to leave the monestary?


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564779 - 08/22/05 06:48 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I do not know, but if they are going to shoot guns from the backs of motorcycles they may as well not be monks...how about if they are strippers...it would make a good TV show.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Mighty Bop]
    #4564884 - 08/22/05 07:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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DO you think you will ever desire to leave the monestary?




Do they let you leave?


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4564970 - 08/22/05 07:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Surely they can't force you to stay if you want to leave?


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Mighty Bop]
    #4564980 - 08/22/05 07:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, It's not like they do kung-fu and would beat you up if you tried to leave.

I don't think they would call you bad names either.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Icelander]
    #4565334 - 08/22/05 09:02 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

1st: Shiho Transmission is when a monk has realized the Dharma (the teachings) and is able to instruct others. There is a ceremony, great bows, chanting, recitation of vows, etc...

2nd: At the moment I do not wish to leave the monastery...

3rd:  Yes I can leave anytime I want. 

Just a note, I dont actually become a monk right away.  It takes some time, usually about 5 years so I still work my job, have friends, visit parents, go to bars, whatever.  I simply live there.  I just have to sit my required sittings every week, and do chores or "Samu" (working meditation)  Things are pretty lax for associate students.  I will become a general student in about 5 months, but I still wont have taken any vows.  Lots more sittings to attend, and lots more work.  Then a year from there, I can apply to be a probationary formal student.  I study directly under a teacher for a few years, then if I get accepted as a formal student, I can take my vows.  There are a few levels of vows.  First is my laymonks vows which I take when I get my Dharma name (Like Ven. Atra Sinu anagarika)which I can get a year after becoming a formal student.  Then After completing certain requirements I take my postulant monks vows, then novice monks vows, then in a ceremony, I take my final vows, and become fully ordained as a monastic.  All this can take between 5 and 10 years.

After becoming a full monk, I can then recieve transmission to instruct beginners in practice.  Then I recieve Shiho transmission from Roshi, and practice as a Dharma teacher.  Then when I have mastered all the teachings of the roshi, I recieve Inka trasmission, and am then able to teach teachers.  Once I give Shiho transmission to a student, I become a Roshi (ie. Ven. Atra Sinu roshi).  Then many years down the road, I get recognition as a teacher, and become recognozed as Ven. Atra Sinu daiosho.  So lots of work.  About 30 years before I am a Zen Master. 

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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4565862 - 08/22/05 02:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I am glad you have some detailed knowledge. Your original post made it sound as if you were being very casual about a most serious commitment. Good luck.


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    #4565906 - 08/22/05 03:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

In thirty years I would like to have a little chat. :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4566239 - 08/22/05 08:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What does the/any master gain by devoting his life to zen/buddism?

Why devote ones life to zen?

How would your master respond?

A crystal clear mind, perhaps? Or a vague answer like "You can only gain, if first you lose".

P.S - I'm very interested in the subject and certainly not against buddism, these are serious questions!


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    #4566282 - 08/22/05 08:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What does the/any master gain by devoting his life to zen/buddism?





Probably the realization that there is nothing to gain, ever, and that there is no one to gain anything, anyways. :wink:

Or is that a vauge answer? :grin:

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    #4566286 - 08/22/05 08:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well,
it sounds like an orderly way to join an order, in order to be a good proponent of that order in this world of disorder.
you may express the orders of that order and transmit the order in an orderly way to those with aspirations.

I was originally impressed by the instantaneous and spontaneous nature of zen experience. (it progresses into a more rigorous institution as it gains followers)


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    #4567467 - 08/23/05 03:10 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What does the/any master gain by devoting his life to zen/buddism?




There is nothing to gain.  For there is nothing at all. There is only losing.  You start with everything, your desires, opinions, likes/dislikes, associations, and suffering, and work those out so you simply experience what you are experiencing at every moment.  THIS MOMENT!!  If you have ever sat in Zazen for an extended period of time, everything feels clearer. You can hear more sounds, and sense your entire field of perception at once.  Essentially "inner peace."  Pardon the cliche.

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Why devote ones life to zen?




To make the teachings available for others.  To wake up and realize the true nature of experiencing.  Living as a monastic simply allows you to competely immerse yourself in the practice, ie, meditating while doing everything.  Every action in the monastery has forms to go with it. Such as bows, hand motions, postures etc...


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How would your master respond?




If I knew how a Zen master would respond, I would already be one.



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    #4567940 - 08/23/05 04:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Here is a serious question not asked yet.

I understand the attraction to buddhism. Why did you choose a zen school rather then another school? I always thought if I wanted to study more buddhism, I would go into a school that emphasized the development of compassion and loving kindness, rather then zen. So I am interested in your take on this.

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    #4569449 - 08/23/05 01:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You are mis-informed of your think that zen practice does not include loving kindess and compassion.

Zen practioners follow the same principles as any other Mahayana path, whether it be gradual style (such as in Tibetan buddhism) or non-gradual sytle (such as in chinese and japanese zen). They all have, at their fundamental basis, the same princples.

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The PARAMITAS or Perfections

The Six Principles of Enlightened Living

The Six Paramitas occupy a prominent place in the Mahayana scriptures as a Buddhist?s way of life leading to Buddhahood. They are:

1. Generosity (Liberality)
2. Conduct (Morality)
3. Patience (Forbearance)
4. Energy (Diligence, Industrious, Hard Work)
5. Meditation
6. Wisdom

This list of six is a shortened version of the ten qualities for which enlightened beings strive in their every day living. Since they are concerned about the welfare of all beings and strive to end their suffering and unjust treatment, they (1) give alms to all beings so that they may be happy, without investigating whether they are worthy or not, (2) avoid doing them any harm by observing morality, (3) train themselves in renunciation in order to bring morality to perfection, (4) purify their wisdom in order to understand clearly what is beneficial and injurious, (5) constantly exert energy for the welfare and happiness of others, (6) practice patience towards the variety of human failings, (7) do not break their promise once pledging to give or do something, (8) resolve with determination to work for the welfare of all beings, (9) are always kind and helpful to all, and (10) expect nothing in return and constantly practice equanimity. These qualities as expressed thusly in the Ten Paramitas:

1. Perfection in Generosity, Giving (Liberality)
2. Perfection in Morality (Conduct)
3. Perfection in Renunciation
4. Perfection in Wisdom
5. Perfection in Diligence (Industrious)
6. Perfection in Patience (Forbearance)
7. Perfection in Truthfulness
8. Perfection in Resolution (Determination, Purpose)
9. Perfection in Loving-Kindness
10. Perfection in Equanimity
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This is the basis of all Mahayana practice, including zen. But the mephasis in zen is a little different, as in Zen, one realizes that if one perfects the sixth paramita of "wisdom", all the other paramitas and precepts are automatically perfected, hence why it is considered by many to be a non-gradual path, whereas in Tibetan buddhism, one diligently practices the first five paramitas and accumilations until eventually, after a considerably long time, one realizes the "prajnaparamita" or wisdom that recognises the emptiness of all conditioned phenomena. Compassion for all beings, automatically arises out of this knowlege.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: tomk]
    #4570656 - 08/23/05 09:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Here is a serious question not asked yet.

I understand the attraction to buddhism.  Why did you choose a zen school rather then another school?  I always thought if I wanted to study more buddhism, I would go into a school that emphasized the development of compassion and loving kindness, rather then zen.  So I am interested in your take on this.

Do they really let you go to bars?




Zen to me is the ultimate expression of experience.  You are aware of your self, but what is it that is aware of being aware?  Why does the room move around you as you take a step?  Why do colors and forms appear and then are gone?  If one is practicing with sincerity, the moment will yield the best outcome to every possible scenario. 

Until I take my laymonks vows, I can do whatever I want.  I shouldnt, but I can. 

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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4571773 - 08/24/05 02:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

In that case, why the prevalence of alcoholism among western zen masters?

Let me challenge you, but with the disclaimer that I think you are al ot more literate with me on this.

I would say it's because Zen neglects an important aspect of Buddhist thought. Particularly, the moment will only yeild to the best possible outcome to every possible senario, if one A.) develops compassion, and B.) recognizes the psychological kinks that motivate actions.

Maybe another way of saying this would be that maybe zen focuses too much on enlightenment, and not enough practical stuff on developing a healthy mind and a worthy expression of that enlightenment.

If you see everything as it really is, it's really easy to get very depressed from it. I am more attracted to the schools of thought where you approach enlightenment type experience alongside developing self-love and compassion (is it metta, loving kindness?). I don't know. I'm sure zen is great for a certain kind of person, but it's approach seems somewhat wrong to me in this. Some people have some work to do before becoming enlightened, and zen might be so effective that people who aren't psychologically ready for it might get it. ???

Maybe I am not aware about how much cross cultural training goes on or how much this is integrated with zen?

ETA: I missed the post above, that one, which was great. I still have a nagging worry though. Namely, I'm not convinced that perfect wisdom does lead to perfection of the other qualities. In fact, as the cases of alcoholism among zen masters would suggest, it quite obviously seems to me like it does not. In other words, the knowledge you talk about conditioned response, doesn't help at all with the question of how to first of all, break out of those habits, and second of all, choose wisely in replacing them. I dunno.


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: tomk]
    #4572111 - 08/24/05 04:02 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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1st: Shiho Transmission is when a monk has realized the Dharma (the teachings) and is able to instruct others. There is a ceremony, great bows, chanting, recitation of vows, etc...




how do they know you reach that state? How do you know? How do they know you aren't making things up? Do monks have some sort of psychic communication... can they just like, look into your "being" and see when you've reached certain stages of "enlightenment"

do zen monks believe in stream consciousness? How do you know if you've reached it? (i'm pondering if i have made it there once or twice)

:hippie:




i know someone whose dad is a zen "master" and he says he smokes pot and drinks, and i was wondering if the zen approach to buddhism is okay with general drug use as long as it isn't gratuitious?
(everything in moderation!) but some buddhists seem to forbid any substances since they hinder your meditation, etc.



also... how do you know what ZAZEN is? I have had a few really good meditational sessions where I *****think**** i have reached a ****significant**** state, and I know it's a "good" state, but I don't know if it's the same state others reach.

i got there by chasing thoughts verbally until i was left in between thoughts to bear witness to "instant -voiceless- thought impulses" which... i could sort of straddle ... inside.

or something. It's hard to explain and I haven't been back since... small amounts of pot and self introspection got me there.


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    #4573717 - 08/24/05 10:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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also... how do you know what ZAZEN is? I have had a few really good meditational sessions where I *****think**** i have reached a ****significant**** state, and I know it's a "good" state, but I don't know if it's the same state others reach.






Zazen is not a state you can cultivate.  If you notice anything at all, you are not practicing.  Open to you entire experience.  Tasting, touching, smelling, hearing, seeing, and thinking.  Thoughts are really just a tiny insignificant part of our experience that we attach so much to, and in doing so tend to conceptualize about our experience rather than actually experiencing it.  Keep this in mind.  A "state" is simply  something that arises within your awareness.  Hunger is a state, you experience all sorts of things when you are hungry.  but you are still aware that there is a "you" to be hungry.  Ore when you are mad, happy, blissed out, high, pissed off completely, jealous, clear, everything that arises for you is simply arising with and as this present moment.          If you can label the state, you are noticing it.  If you like, dislike, find good or bad, you are thinking not practicing. 

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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: tomk]
    #4573953 - 08/24/05 02:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Zen is a non-gradual approach toward Buddhism which focuses on realizing the wisdom mind in which all other qualifications of compassion, loving kindness, morality, etc are instantaneously perfected within the non-dual state. Zen practitioners do not neglect to develop compassion, or any other qualification, because all the enlightened qualities are completely and naturally perfected within the non-dual state, which is the main emphasis of the non-gradual path known as Zen.

Zen is non-gradual, and for this reason it does not emphases developing the enlightened qualities in a very gradual, dualistic fashion like the Tibetan path of Mahayana Buddhism. If you feel more attracted to the gradual approach, then good for you, but you should not misunderstand the path of Zen to be lacking in any of the qualities that the other Mahayana paths emphasize in the way of gradual development.

Whatever you may think about Zen, you should not judge a whole path, based on the actions of a few practioners. In the case of alcoholic western Zen practioners, this is not the fault of Zen, but the fault of the practitioners themselves. What flavour of Buddhism one can truly put into practice greatly depends on ones own capacity. Honesty with regard to ones capacity, is the first step to finding a spiriutal path that one can sincerly practice. Zen functions well for those who have a connection and the specific kind of capacity required.

Why practice a slow and gradual path, if you have the capacity to practice a quicker, non-gradual one? Why walk, if you can drive?


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    #4573994 - 08/24/05 03:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Zazen is not a state you can cultivate. If you notice anything at all, you are not practicing. Open to you entire experience. Tasting, touching, smelling, hearing, seeing, and thinking. Thoughts are really just a tiny insignificant part of our experience that we attach so much to, and in doing so tend to conceptualize about our experience rather than actually experiencing it. Keep this in mind. A "state" is simply something that arises within your awareness. Hunger is a state, you experience all sorts of things when you are hungry. but you are still aware that there is a "you" to be hungry. Ore when you are mad, happy, blissed out, high, pissed off completely, jealous, clear, everything that arises for you is simply arising with and as this present moment. If you can label the state, you are noticing it. If you like, dislike, find good or bad, you are thinking not practicing.





I am copying my Kafka finding, and I am interested in what you think about that?


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amazingly he was a meditator par excellence!

consider this:
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. . . . You do not need to leave the room. Remain sitting at your table and listen. Do not even listen, simply wait. Do not even wait, be quite still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked, it has no choice, it will roll in ecstasy at your feet. (Kafka: The Great Wall of China: Stories and Reflections)








also
when you say
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If you can label the state, you are noticing it. If you like, dislike, find good or bad, you are thinking not practicing.





I think that you might have oversimplified:
bare awareness does not exactly need extra labelling though it is helpful in starting, and practice could well include intimacy with like and dislike when it does not "unseat" the meditator.


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    #4574061 - 08/24/05 04:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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In that case, why the prevalence of alcoholism among western zen masters?




Source?

Or are you simply referring to Alan Watts, who couldn't actually be described as a Zen master, merely that of a person who held a strong intellectual understanding of Zen?

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    #4581636 - 08/26/05 06:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I think that you might have oversimplified:
bare awareness does not exactly need extra labelling though it is helpful in starting, and practice could well include intimacy with like and dislike when it does not "unseat" the meditator.




Think of it this way.  When you put your hand into warm water, you know its warm without thinking its warm.  Or you know you've got pants on without thinking about it.  As soon as ... becomes "..." you are back in your head. 

I'm curious on what you mean when you say "unseat"?  We might be agreeing here but I am not totally sure. 

What is Kafka?  I have never heard of it. 

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    #4582475 - 08/26/05 08:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

you are accepting of sensation (yet labelling as a practice)
and
you can be equally so with thought as part of the bouquet - of "isness"
without judgment
so to see things in natural proportion arising and falling away


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    #4582745 - 08/26/05 09:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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...you can be equally so with thought as part of the bouquet - of "isness"







Yeah, right on!  Not a lot of people get that.  A thought is like the color red.  It is as it is.  Red is red, blue is blue, eye is eye, thought is thought. 

To quote the Buddha, "And How, Monks, does one live completely viewing mental states as states?
And again, Monks, one live completely viewing the six internal and external sense-fields as mental states.  And how, Monks, does one live completely viewing the six subjective and objective sense fields as mental states?"


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    #4583129 - 08/26/05 02:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well, it is a fair treatise, useful.

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This sounds very interesting so far. Where could I find more about Zen Philosophy?


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This sounds very interesting so far. Where could I find more about Zen Philosophy?




Zen is not a philosophy, belief, faith or religion.  It is a practice.  It essentially all boils down to NOW.  It is so simple, yet it is in that simplicity that it is all very complex. 

Here are a few of my favorite web sites:

Maximum Bliss
Yahoo Zen directory

Although you are more likely to get more from a book. "The Compass of Zen"  By Zen Master Seung Sahn is pretty good. 

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This sounds very interesting so far. Where could I find more about Zen Philosophy?




Buy the book "Zen Mind, Beginners Mmind" By Shuynru Suzki. It is the best book i have read on Soto Zen to date.


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    #4592104 - 08/29/05 04:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Wa!  I just finished my first retreat.  I sat for 12 damn hours!  My back hurts like hell, my knees are sore, and I am clearer than I have ever been in my entire life!  This is only the start!  During Jukai, I have to sit for 3 days, 14 hours a day, then on the final day, I sit all night, from sun down to sun up!  Though this is not for another year. Thats 54 hours of meditation in 3 days!  I love this! 

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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4592970 - 08/29/05 07:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Wow.

Do you get breaks for walking meditations between sitting?

I feel pretty clear after doing breath counting for 30 minutes. I also sometimes do some loving kindness meditations and some contemplations (looking at leaves and stuff). I assume you are doing just sitting, right?


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Wow.

Do you get breaks for walking meditations between sitting?




Yes.  The sittings always start with 15 minutes of kinhin (walking meditation), then for the duration of the sitting its 30 minutes zazen, 10 minutes (once around the room) kinhin.  The last round of Zazen is uaually cut short to accomodate the time.
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I feel pretty clear after doing breath counting for 30 minutes.  I also sometimes do some loving kindness meditations and some contemplations (looking at leaves and stuff).  I assume you are doing just sitting, right?




Yes.  It is called Shikan-taza or "intense sitting", or "just sitting."  It the foundation of zen practice.  It is bloody hard though.  I cant even describe the kind of mind required, even concentration is doing something.  We "just sit."  That's it.  During beggining phases of practice, we are taught to follow the breath at the Tanden (hara, dantian, what have you, "3 finger widths below the navel"), then as mindfulness stabilizes, we feel the sensations of the whole body. Then once that stabilizes, we then practice being aware of the space within which we are sitting.  It is quite difficult when you get to this point.  "Feel the space between your toes, feel the air around your body as your body" etc...  There are many other techniques for stabilizeng mindfulness such as koan (those fucked up questions that make no sense), kinhin, samu (caretaking practice), oryoki (eating practice) mantra, chanting, practices are for going to the bathroom (I always picture this as the monks bowing to there shit or something :tongue2: )sleeping and dreaming practices, and probably others that I dont know about.  I have only been instructed as far as being aware of space, samu and kinhin.  The core practice however is shikan-taza.  It allows you to observe any and all grasping you have.  From there the teacher asks you questions to see how your practice is going.  Then can give you specific practices to help release this grasping.  There are other which I will get as my practice matures.  Once I become a formal student, I will get instruction in carrying over mindfullness into the full sleep state.  I will be aware I am sleeping, even when in deep, non dreaming sleep, and when dreaming, they will be as "real" as "reality". 

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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4594778 - 08/29/05 08:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

this gives new meaning to "Holy shit!"

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    #4595353 - 08/29/05 11:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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this gives new meaning to "Holy shit!"





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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: mikeytwice]
    #4598884 - 08/30/05 09:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Will you have to attain a bald spot on the top of your head to progress to the next level? do they wear socks with their sandals? is it like a convent where everyone has to abide by community rules? would they kick you out if you invited a few girls into your room?


on a more serious note, how is it that the zen buddihsts believe that the only way to transcend our mental prision, IE the concious state, is lock the door and throw away the key? What i mean, is that if they dont use psychdelics, our only way out of this prision aside from lucid dreaming, then how do they ever expect to transcend? or is transcendence to them just a greater awareness of our imprisonment? and dont give me that BS that our conscious state isnt a mental prision and that all can be gained with psychdelics can be gained in the concious state.

What is their stance on lucidity btw, do they actively explore other natural states of mind like that, or are they ego maniacs who only believe in the concious state ( like the christians/jews/islams ).


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    #4601846 - 08/31/05 08:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

In zazen, you can obtain all sorts of states.  The main point is to be aware that you are experiencing anything at all.  However far out it may seem.  I find that after a good 4 hour sitting, my mind has gone through all sorts of things that are pretty crazy.  The point is to just observe and be mindful.  Those are good questions though.  I will bring them up at my next practice interview (daisan).

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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4609571 - 09/02/05 02:52 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I envy you that you will go ahead with something that takes so much dedication. The lust of the american way is great and you are stronger than I.


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    #4609574 - 09/02/05 02:53 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

well maybe you are stronger mentally but def. not physically..jk


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    #4677477 - 09/18/05 08:57 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

bumping this back up. where did quoiyaien go with yousucks answer?


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    #4681729 - 09/19/05 09:00 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Will you have to attain a bald spot on the top of your head to progress to the next level? do they wear socks with their sandals? is it like a convent where everyone has to abide by community rules? would they kick you out if you invited a few girls into your room?


on a more serious note, how is it that the zen buddihsts believe that the only way to transcend our mental prision, IE the concious state, is lock the door and throw away the key? What i mean, is that if they dont use psychdelics, our only way out of this prision aside from lucid dreaming, then how do they ever expect to transcend? or is transcendence to them just a greater awareness of our imprisonment? and dont give me that BS that our conscious state isnt a mental prision and that all can be gained with psychdelics can be gained in the concious state.

What is their stance on lucidity btw, do they actively explore other natural states of mind like that, or are they ego maniacs who only believe in the concious state ( like the christians/jews/islams ).




It is not the content that matters.  Like the glass to the water, or the room to the glass... etc etc, everything arises within something else.  By you saying that you need psychedelics to transcend, you have attached a need to using them.  Zen is a practice.  It is not a belief, a way of life, a philosophy or a religion.  It is something you do.  Allowing whatever arises to arise, dwell and decay without attachment.  In the later stages of practice, dreaming gets covered.  I have posted some info above that goes into this in more detail.  I hope this answers your question.  If not, ask some more, I love challenges :laugh: 

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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4685836 - 09/20/05 08:16 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

30 years and you become a zen master, eh?  is that a money back guarantee deal?-)  i'm more of a rinzai zen fan, you know, try to sweat under my armpits while pondering that buddha is a shitstick, slap myself silly while trying to hear the sound of one hand clapping, just moo-ing in general... :smile:

soto zen is fun too, but too much practice and still no guarantees, really.  i know the saying goes there's no zen without zazen, but you can sit for 30 kalpas and learn all the suttas by heart and not get any closer to seeing your true nature (and beholding the (no)mind) than the butcher who spends a lifetime slicing meat.

well, i wish you the best of luck on the way, don't speed while driving the great vehicle!  i go wash my food bowl now :smile:


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Re: So I'm moving into a Zen Monastery... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #4686921 - 09/21/05 02:08 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

awesome. just awesome.

proceed with fearlessness and joy. its the warriors way. youve made your decision, there is nothing left to fear or regret. Some day i may follow in your footsteps. I have always planned to move to a zen monastary once im done my traveling abroad, which will still be at least 5 more years. Thats the plan anyways, hopefully i wont fall in love or get addicted to crack or anything before then...


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    #4926793 - 11/13/05 04:39 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Gassho all,

So the first phase of my residency is taking place this week.  I will live there for 3 days to get an idea of how things work.  After that, I go for a month, then we'll see.  I am getting very excited!

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