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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: Veritas]
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"I get gray hairs form you!" ... yeah ? blame the other.. :P

""He believes that by becoming more conscious of our negative core beliefs, replacing them with positive beliefs, and thus spending more time responding to the present moment, we can delay or avoid physical degeneration.""

my intention, is my faith! :P


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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: Gomp]
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At 29, I got divorced, entered counseling, and began intensive work on personal growth and self-analysis. My goal was to return to the joyful person I had been as a child.

Looking back, it seems I have grown younger every year. I lost all the extra weight, regained my energy and joyfulness, and look younger than my age rather than 10-15 years older!


good for you! :heart: :tongue2:


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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: Veritas]
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I dig Deepak! What I ran with from that book was his comment about our brains being the most awesome walking pharmacies on the planet and that it can create the right chem at the right dose and send it to just the right places, no side effects. Practicing training it to do that with intention has been great fun. That's how I became the shroomless shroomhead.

Deepak worked on forward moving time spiraling backwards in his fictional book Merlin. Go for that one next.

I'm with you Veritas, Deepak thinks some fun thoughts and ideas to play with.


Deepak opened many western minds to ideas of taking health and healing into their own hands with the idea of the holistic body and prevention. 

Prevention is a good message.  He also brings the message of peace itself being the path to peace to the world. I don't know why swami slams him every time his name comes up here.  I would ask him personally but we are not allowed by him to get into personalisms with him.

Besides, swamis recent post has canceled out his own argument here. He says people should be able to discuss ideas without personalisms negating them.  Then you, Veritas wish to discuss some of Deepaks ideas here and the first thing swami does is dig into Deepak personally to negate his ideas.  :what:

Double the standards, double the fun eh swami?

Doublemint gum.

Why were the doublemint twins with double the pleasure female and not male hottie twins?


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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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A man espousing a methodology for an "ageless body" should NOT be looked at? He is chunky and wrinkled and looks his age.

There is no double-standard here. Unlike a discussion about the beginning of the universe, his appearance and health SHOULD be a reflection of his teachings.


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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: Swami]
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You said that here, ideas should be discussed without personalisms. Veritas wanted to explore some of this mans ideas and you took it to personalisms about him instead of discussing the ideas of his she proposed.

So now you are admitting the value of personalisms?

If they apply to all others with ideas and not you, that is a double standard. You'd have a case if you didn't get into personalisms with other authors whom people post the ideas of. You do it more then anyone here to negate ideas presented. If you request people do not do it with you, then that is a discussion double standard.

If you don't see it that way, I may analyze why..........in private of course. :lol:


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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I teach racquetball because I have skills and a successful competitive history. I walk the walk. My abilities in this specific area are a direct selling point to my students. What I can or cannot do on the court is totally relevant.

His appearance is directly related to his teachings on health.

His appearance has no bearing when talking about life-after death or any other unrelated topic and should not be allowed.

Can't make it any simpler than that.


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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: Swami]
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All that reply tells me swami is that you have the proven ability to teach us how to be competitive and how to dominate. Those are primitive survival goals and they run counter productive to people who are working to evolve beyond them into co-operative unity states of consciousness.

I will make this simple. Deepak can look 80 when he is 55 and it takes nothing away from his eloquent easy to comprehend writing style and ability to stimulate creative thoughts for personal exploration.

Not all of us are "prove it to me first" types. Some of us can take a ball hand off and run with it on our own. It doesn't even matter if it was a sloppy pass off or if we reach a goal. We just enjoy the play itself.

Why take it all so seriously. There really is no where to go save 6 feet under or off into eternity. Either way, life is to short or to long to take it so prove it to me first seriously.

Proving stuff to myself for myself is more challenging then sitting back and waiting for others to show me what my potential is. I had my own goofy ideas about halting and reversing the aging process before I ever heard of deepak.

I'm not one to wait around for others to tell me what I can and can't do or experience after they proved it. Did you or did you not once post about being a trail blazer and thinking for yourself? You did. To add to your inconsistancies, you also preach that we should wait for external authorites approved by you to blaze trails for us.

It's a no wonder so many people here want to get you in the analysts chair.

Reading Deepak is like comparing and sharing notes with another explorer of consciousness and human potential for me. Is it my life to choose to appreciate and use what he has to offer or do you wish to run it for me? Good luck! I can already tell you that you lost that match.

Deepak may not be hitting the right frequency notes to trigger the chemical flows of growth hormones which cease to be produced around the mid 20s but if I keep at it and if veritas does, and so do the millions of others, one of us may start cracking the frequency codes. I already cracked the codes for producing some other chemical releases. My fav feels like a Nitrous high.

Damn I was hit with over 20 dejavus typing this. What a rush!

Anyway, many of us have more then mastered basic survival here on earth and competition is childs play. A good hand full of us are well past it and down right spoiled living on easy street. What's left to do while waiting to die? I know, figure out how not to die for shitz and giggles. In the least so far, I figured out how to manifest nitrous highs at will and still get carded at age 37 and maintain good health and general well being.

Deepak played a big influence on a lot of radical changes I made almost 10 years ago.

Lets take a sports analogy. How often is it that a player exceeds the abilities of his coach?  It happens a lot. Same thing going on here. Deepak is like a coach and many of his players will exceed his abilities if they have natural abilities awaiting to unfold.

It's okay with me if you disregard him as having anything note worthy to say. To each his own. What sucks is that I think there are many creative minds here and fellow explorers of consciousness I would enjoy comparing notes with and all to often, you or one of your clones discourages people from posting and sharing when you come with your replies of negation.

So instead of having many far out exploratory discussions going on here we end up with dumb repetitive posts that are "safe".

The majority of posts here are convos I can have with my neighbors, just everyday talk. This is a pychedelic spirituality message board. You'd think it would be blowing the roof off. Instead, we have people trying to ground everyone to the basement because they are afraid of a little wind blowing around here.

The winds of change are nothing to be afraid of. They bring new life.
:heart: :peace:

On the flip side, there are probably a lot of yongins here who freak out loosing it because they can't handle their drugs and you help pull them back in and keep them feeling safe when they have had one to many bad trips about the unknown.

That said, I can get my kicks elsewhere. Youngins freaking out in survival mode need their daddy swami to make it all go away and take care of it for them.

Fine by as we are all family here, as dysfunctional as it is.

I get to be crazy cousin jiggy!

Okay kiddies, here is your bed time tale from the nursery book of swami to sleep safe and secure at night;
All you need to know is that if you can't experience it repeatably at will with your five physical senses. It doesn't exist. Now go back to sleep...........................shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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i dont really dig deepak at all, but going back to the website i showed you, which you dismissed with some hilarious strawman about hopping and levitating, which had nothing to do with the topic or point at hand... it shows independant, perr-reviewed scientific research and studies performed with relevance to Transcendental meditation.
Happy thought, or intention, can bring about phenomenon and manifestation in the real world.
Now im sure after reading this you will try to bet me that i cant make an apple appear, but that would have, once again, nothing to do with my post.

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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: SneezingPenis]
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You replied to the wrong person.  :yesnod:


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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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i dont really use reply, sorry that my default settings aimed my post at you, but i figured most people would understand that I was talking to swami...sorry for the misunderstanding

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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: Veritas]
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Well, if you're happy, and being happy makes you lead a healthy lifestyle, then you'll be healthy and look younger.

There's no evidence that being unhappy makes your cells mutate more or anything like that.

That's the problem with people like Deepak Chopra, they make things up.

Sure, it seems like it makes a little bit of sense, but does it actually hold any weight? How do you know there aren't other explanations that make more sense?


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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: Phluck]
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I don't know if there are other explanations that make more sense.  Perhaps there are!  I am just entertaining these ideas right now, and thinking about how they might apply to what I have experienced in my own life.  No conclusions, just enjoying the possibilities.  :cool:

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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Yes! I love the idea (and practice) of influencing my own chemical balance.  I find it is most effective when I am not identifying with my emotional state. When I see it as something I am experiencing, I can often choose to experience a different emotional state.

I am glad that my teachers do not have to live up to Swami's standards before I allow myself to experiment with and learn from their ideas.  No mere human would be qualified!  :grin:

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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: Veritas]
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Only unmere humans. You may be pleased that many schools are once again allowing the teaching of Creationism.

I met Leonard Orr, author of "The Common Sense of Immortality" some 30 years ago when he was around 30 and again about seven years ago when he was in his early 50s. I guess I am deluded by appearances, but he amazingly aged like most every other human being.

His "hypothesis" was that we die only because it is a thought passed down by society. All we had to do was to change our belief structure. When I responded that animals die without such a similar "indoctrination" and that ultimate lifespan is limited by telomeres and mitosis, he had no rational response and instead used standard New Age double-speak and had no clue what I was talking about on the biological cellular level. (Never let education and knowledge get in the way of a cool theory.)


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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: Swami]
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Yeah, some ideas would make cool elements of a fictional story, but their creators want their ideas to be all important and earth changing so they believe that they've figured out how the world works.


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http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: Swami]
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I do understand (basically) what you are talking about as to the SCIENCE of aging/dying. The measurable part of what we are is physical, but what about the non-physical? If we are 99.9999% empty space, how can we believe that everything is explained by the physical/observable? I am still learning about this, but already feel very dissatisfied with the party line put forth by science.

I also don't buy the "fluffernaut" idea that we are nothing but spirit, and that world-wide changes can be accomplished merely by thinking about peace.

As far as I know, life is 100% fatal: no one has survived it so far. My fascination with Chopra's ideas has to do with the way that life plays out. I see my mother decaying before my eyes. She has been old as long as I can remember, and her health fails in new ways each year. I think that this deterioration is affected by BOTH her lifestyle choices AND her addiction to negativity. She probably could not outweigh her toxic lifestyle by overcoming negativity, but would it hurt to try it and see?

I believe that life is both science and mystery. Neither will ever fully explain what occurs.

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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: Veritas]
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If we are 99.9999% empty space, how can we believe that everything is explained by the physical/observable?

What does that have to do with anything?


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http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: Phluck]
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Since when is a correlation necessary?  :rolleyes:

I once got rid of all that pesky empty space and sank to the center of the earth and so "reinflated" myself to pop back out. :grin:


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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: Swami]
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what is the topic about here?
if we get on topic can we stay there?

many recent threads seem to be quarrels about terms, who stole someone elses truth (as if truths can be stolen), dna (and evolution) or chemicals to explain everything you think; and, it's just been an outright plain swami fest.

what - no clients this week?


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Re: Creating Ourselves on the Quantum Level [Re: redgreenvines]
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what - no clients this week?

They are on summer vacation.

At least your question is totally on topic.  :wink:


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