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Re: Police [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
How did he "detain" you?
Did the cop take you to the station, for questioning?



No, they told me to sit on the curb and not move.  Then they searched me.

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I'm not sure that just stopping you and asking "Who/What/When/Where" could be considered harassment or detainment.

Sounds like a stretch to me :shrug:



They detained me in order to ask those questions.


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Re: Police [Re: niteowl]
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Anytime a criminal (murder, rapist, thief...) is taken off the streets....I feel that the police have done their job of protecting me.



How often do you get this "feeling"?


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Re: Police [Re: Silversoul]
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I said...
So asking questions is harassment?

Paradigm said:
No, but detaining people who aren't doing anything wrong is.



Then you said....
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They detained me in order to ask those questions.



Im kinda confused.....
Its OK to have a cop ask a question, but its not OK to stop you, to ask the question

So it would have been OK if he walked with you and asked the question?


Still sounds like a stretch.

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Re: Police [Re: niteowl]
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It's really not that hard to get if you just think for a second. He detained me. Do you not understand what that entails? I couldn't get up and walk away, or I'd be arrested. Then he searched me. I was doing nothing wrong or illegal.


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Re: Police [Re: 1stimer]
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1stimer said:
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Anytime a criminal (murder, rapist, thief...) is taken off the streets....I feel that the police have done their job of protecting me.



How often do you get this "feeling"?



Have you or family member/friend, ever lived in a neighborhood that had a thief, pedo, or serial killer running loose?

It is a stressful environment.

When they announce that they have caught the criminal, my stress levels go back down, and I become my regular fluffy self again.

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Re: Police [Re: niteowl]
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Shit, a cop searched my car last month because (he asked) and I told him I was an art major. This was the ONLY reason he had to search my car other than I had long hair. Thats fucking harrassment.


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Re: Police [Re: Silversoul]
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But I wouldn't consider asking questions, harassment.

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Re: Police [Re: niteowl]
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I never said it was. However, when he tells you to sit down and not make a move while he searches you and your friends one by one, that's a bit more than just asking questions.


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Re: Police [Re: blowback]
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blowback said:
Shit, a cop searched my car last month because (he asked) and I told him I was an art major. This was the ONLY reason he had to search my car other than I had long hair. Thats fucking harrassment.



If you let him search you car.....how is that harassment?


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Re: Police [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
blowback said:
Shit, a cop searched my car last month because (he asked) and I told him I was an art major. This was the ONLY reason he had to search my car other than I had long hair. Thats fucking harrassment.



If you let him search you car.....how is that harassment?



Oh give me a fucking break! I can't fucking believe what you're saying. If he has no evidence against him, then the traffic stop alone is bullshit. Even if he asks to search the car, police don't just ask. They intimidate. The implication is that if you say no, you'll be in serious trouble.


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Re: Police [Re: Silversoul]
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Still a far cry from harassment tho.

Can you see why the cop stopped you?

It is his job to "protect and serve". Any group of people walking the streets at night should not be upset with a simple questioning from a police. How many times has a group of kids (under 25 IMO) been prowling the streets at night looking for trouble of some sort.

If all he did was stop and make sure you weren't trying to start any trouble.....how is this a bad thing?

If he had taken you to jail and gave you a lot of shit......then I could see your complaint.

But your just complaining about, well, nothing really.

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Re: Police [Re: niteowl]
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Even if he asks to search the car, police don't just ask. They intimidate. The implication is that if you say no, you'll be in serious trouble.

WRONG

I have been asked three times if they could search my car. Each time I told then no. I have still never been searched.

If you let a cop search your car its your fault not the cops.


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Re: Police [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
Still a far cry from harassment tho.

Can you see why the cop stopped you?

It is his job to "protect and serve". Any group of people walking the streets at night should not be upset with a simple questioning from a police. How many times has a group of kids (under 25 IMO) been prowling the streets at night looking for trouble of some sort.

If all he did was stop and make sure you weren't trying to start any trouble.....how is this a bad thing?

If he had taken you to jail and gave you a lot of shit......then I could see your complaint.

But your just complaining about, well, nothing really.



That's bullshit. If he's restraining you from going about your day with no probable cause, that's harrassment.


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Re: Police [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
Even if he asks to search the car, police don't just ask. They intimidate. The implication is that if you say no, you'll be in serious trouble.

WRONG

I have been asked three times if they could search my car. Each time I told then no. I have still never been searched.

If you let a cop search your car its your fault not the cops.



It's true that you have a right to say no. Most people aren't aware of that, and cops are specifically trained to intimidate people into thinking they have to cooperate.


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Re: Police [Re: Krishna]
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Krishna said:
Redstorm said:
Why people rightfully dislike the police:

(note that these apply to police officers in limited cases and does not stand for all officers)

1. Police officers are taught to be intimidating and to coerce a subject into consenting to searches.
2. Police officers commonly racially profile and hassle minorities for something as little as walking down the street at night.
3. They can often be too eager to use force.
4. Smalltown police have nothing better to do that drive around and try to bust parties that are doing no one harm.
5. Police excess brutality (especially in the case of minorities)



in addition, i find the police to be yet another reminder of our way of dealing with sociological problems - instead of looking to the root of them, and trying to fix things there (in the case of criminality, for example, poverty, crappy education systems, industries controlled by a top-down, nonparticipatory economic model, etc) - we deal with the symptoms so mr and mrs joe blue america can keep watching tv and ignore that there are problems out there. the same thing is seen with our military policies (ie attacking iraq now, while still supporting absolutely absurd dictatorial regimes/"free trade" policies that are going to lead to the same bullshitty problems developing again in some other 3rd world country), our approach to a 'welfare system', etc etc etc... the whole thing digusts me, and police, as a very real and very concrete example of this, remind me of my disgust daily.



the war on terror is another good example of this.


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Re: Police [Re: Silversoul]
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If a group of people is walking the streets at night....
the cop has probable cause to stop and question you, which is what he did.

I have had the same thing done to me.

No harm done.
No one was harassed.
No one was arrested.
Just questioned and sent on your way.

Calling what this cop did "harassment" is stupid.

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Re: Police [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
If a group of people is walking the streets at night....
the cop has probable cause to stop and question you, which is what he did.




so i don't have the right to walk down the streets when i please?

at least admit that if i don't have this right, we live in some sort of a police state!


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Re: Police [Re: Krishna]
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so i don't have the right to walk down the streets when i please?

Where did I say that you didn't have that right?

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Re: Police [Re: niteowl]
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gahhhhh ok let me rephrase myself

"so i don't have the right to walk down the streets without being asked by police officers where i'm going, what i'm doing, and if i have any drugs on me when i please?"

better?


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Re: Police [Re: Krishna]
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Your papers, please.


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